I'm having the vaccine when it comes out poll

[oldhippydude]

Very interesting............

Do the vaccines prevent transmission of COVID-19?
In addition to the Pfizer vaccine, regulators are poring over data from another similar vaccine made by Moderna of Cambridge, Massachusetts, and a third vaccine produced by AstraZeneca of Cambridge, UK, and the University of Oxford, UK. All three of these vaccines have been tested in large clinical trials, and have shown promise in preventing disease symptoms.

But none has demonstrated that it prevents infection altogether, or reduces the spread of disease in a population. This leaves open the chance that those who are vaccinated could remain susceptible to asymptomatic infection — and could transmit that infection to others who remain vulnerable. “In the worst case scenario, you have people walking around feeling fine, but shedding virus everywhere,” says virologist Stephen Griffin of the University of Leeds, UK.

Pretty much what I said in my last post.
I read that as a reason to be vaccinated.
Have the vaccine and avoid disease symptoms and in the "worst case scenario" protect yourself from vaccinated people that think they are fine but are shedding virus.

You will always home in on the worst case scenario, that is just the way you are but most of the time things are likely to work out better than the worst case.
Best just have the vaccine when you get the chance. Or stay clear of people that seem to have no symptoms forever.

 

[Rickster]

I suppose in the short term I would like to hope that the vaccine reduces the severity of the virus and stops killing people.
So if folks go from severe dying symptoms to moderate/ mild and live symptoms that is a result in the short term, rather than obliterating it off the bat with the first vaccine.

 

[Mr Ripple]

it is nonsense, like it states at the start of @Rickster article, it has passed the safety tests required for vaccines. it even notes that russia and another country have approved vaccine that actually haven’t been properly tested.

the two year trial is about it’s effectiveness.

So it's been cleared as safe but does it work?

 

[oldhippydude]

Millions of people will be vaccinated around the world over the next few months and we will get better answers to the unanswered questions over that timescale.

 

[zouzounaki]

So it's been cleared as safe but does it work?

it works to some extent, what they don’t know is how well.

 

[Fuctifino]

I get all that, and I’m well versed in all of the studies regarding vaping as I’ve researched it myself time and time again.

However vaping has never, ever been subject to the compound laboratory testing that this vaccine has- simply because it wasn’t in anyone’s interest to do so. And even when it has been subjected to some form of official testing you’re left with two clear sides to the argument. We of course will sway will the pro arguments as we vape, but there are plenty of negative too.


And you’re right about us not having ‘quit’ anything. We haven’t have we? It’s like saying ‘I stopped driving because I sold my BMW, but I drive a Prius now and that’s not the same’. Yeah it is.

I’d used vaping as an example of most of us doing something almost as a last resort because previous attempts had failed, again me included. This isn’t about doing something because any previous attempt had occurred and we hadn’t been able to do it - this is a get it right first time or lots of people will die- either from the Virus , or more to the point from all of the other health issues that aren’t being addressed because were diverting so many resources to look after this one singular issue.

yet we base OUR personal decisions on OUR gut feelings
hopefully after conducting "some" of OUR own research perhaps
to formulate OUR own opinion(s)

we knew we had to quit as 78,000 die from smoking related disease/illness (so they say)
we knew we would need nicotine replacement (most likely - well I've covered all that)

The NHS was previously offering gum/patches & then looked to include vaping
a rational approach would be well perhaps this offers a more successful route
hence why they would offer a choice with vaping being the accepted possible third option

It wasn't just the study, as I said, though to add to the list of nicotine replacements
did seem to tempt me to try this method which was successful in packing up the fags for good

But this vaccine won't be a get it right first time - the first initial options rarely are fully successful
it will be an ongoing work or rather research in progress
suffice to say people will & do have concerns/questions & many will not be able to answered easily & quickly

I do not have the answers - nobody has, medical research is always ongoing
but this vaccine has been fast tracked a little perhaps so naturally people may be a little concerned
or have possible reservations about it in the early initial rollout stages

shutting down debate, labelling some as conspiracy theorists, heck even disease spreaders does not help
(yes some are fucking nutters, but rational questioning & people's concerns to them seem valid)

Some personally do not wish to receive the vaccine or at least not for a while
but there are some who seem to vilify others, some scream blue murder
whilst others seek to almost demand others to get vaccinated, but they personally have a condition which may prevent them receiving the vaccine

Along with others tempted to inform on neighbours they strongly suspect of breaching guidelines
overall some of this hysteria has revealed a somewhat ugly side of society imho

 

[SirLugg]

yet we base OUR personal decisions on OUR gut feelings
hopefully after conducting "some" of OUR own research perhaps
to formulate OUR own opinion(s)

we knew we had to quit as 78,000 die from smoking related disease/illness (so they say)
we knew we would need nicotine replacement (most likely - well I've covered all that)

The NHS was previously offering gum/patches & then looked to include vaping
a rational approach would be well perhaps this offers a more successful route
hence why they would offer a choice with vaping being the accepted possible third option

It wasn't just the study, as I said, though to add to the list of nicotine replacements
did seem to tempt me to try this method which was successful in packing up the fags for good

But this vaccine won't be a get it right first time - the first initial options rarely are fully successful
it will be an ongoing work or rather research in progress
suffice to say people will & do have concerns/questions & many will not be able to answered easily & quickly

I do not have the answers - nobody has, medical research is always ongoing
but this vaccine has been fast tracked a little perhaps so naturally people may be a little concerned
or have possible reservations about it in the early initial rollout stages

shutting down debate, labelling some as conspiracy theorists, heck even disease spreaders does not help
(yes some are fucking nutters, but rational questioning & people's concerns to them seem valid)

Some personally do not wish to receive the vaccine or at least not for a while
but there are some who seem to vilify others, some scream blue murder
whilst others seek to almost demand others to get vaccinated, but they personally have a condition which may prevent them receiving the vaccine

Along with others tempted to inform on neighbours they strongly suspect of breaching guidelines
overall some of this hysteria has revealed a somewhat ugly side of society imho

Society was ugly anyway. Just some were too blinkered to see it and it took the blinkered having their eyes forcibly opened by loss of privilege as the required wake up call.

As I said 40 odd posts ago I just want some of mine and my families lives back. Whatever route that has to take to return Is the route it has to take.

 

[Fuctifino]

Society was ugly anyway. Just some were too blinkered to see it and it took the blinkered having their eyes forcibly opened by loss of privilege as the required wake up call.

As I said 40 odd posts ago I just want some of mine and my families lives back. Whatever route that has to take to return Is the route it has to take.

Then I wish you well & hope you achieve some of what you seek
(this goes for everybody too btw)

 

[Crewella]

I think there's a difference between trying to get to the 'truth' and looking for a worst case scenario. I also think all points of view are valuable in a discussion, even if all they do is prompt an explanatory response - I've learned a lot from the points brought up in these threads.

 

[SirLugg]

Then I wish you well & hope you achieve some of what you seek
(this goes for everybody too btw)

Thank you. And you too squire.