I'm having the vaccine when it comes out poll

[oldhippydude]

They're not "a nonsense" or they don't come accross that way to me. They're genuine concerns that seem to be being dismissed as antivax statements.

The two questions I've raised were does anyone know how long the protection lasts from the vaccine? No one has been able to answer yet.

Seeing as the vaccine is based on injecting a small portion of the virus into the subject is it possible for them to then transmit the virus to other people? Again no one has been able to answer yet.

I think both points are extremely important factors.

It will take time to know how long protection will last, So far it lasts a few months. In a years time we will know if it lasts a year.
You are not being injected with live virus so it can not be transmitted to others.

It is known that it is protective against getting the illness especially serious illness though a small number got mild symtoms.
It is not clear yet whether some people could get mild versions of the disease and pass that on to others.
It is clear that there will be a lot less transmission if most of us get vaccinated.

 

[Rickster]

Some good info here....
The UK has approved a COVID vaccine — here’s what scientists now want to know

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03441-8

 

[Fuctifino]

Did you feel that vaping had been tested properly when you decided to do that?

And also, what would you have as the alternative to not having a vaccine? Wait some more, continue with lockdowns? For how long?

well yeah kinda I guess at the NHS study came out in August 2015 & I quit in June 2016
(nearly a year later), so guess anybody who quit from late 2015 could perhaps answer this

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/e-cigarettes-95-less-harmful-than-smoking-says-report/

in reality we all knew we had to quit & had failed numerous times
with nicotine gum, cold turkey, self help/hypno crap
so most of us likely knew we needed some form of nicotine delivery system
and likely an emulation perhaps of smoking to succeed this time around

so with it being rolled out by some health trusts, the report, nearly a year later...
it seemed a little more tested & a viable option that still has a higher success rate for quitting

though this "quitting" is open to debate as it is said we simply substituted one device (smoking)
for another (vaping), and the real quitters (completely quitting & complete cold turkey no nic etc...)
seem to be the ones using other methods than vaping (which often is just a replacement)

Me personally I really needed to quit after failing so many times before
the study 10 months prior to me taking up vaping & support for it from NHS helped assure perhaps
but so did the freebie kit given to me, plus agreed to try & quit if we voted to leave EU
so switched to vaping about 3~4 days after the referendum in June 2016

 

[zouzounaki]

They're not "a nonsense" or they don't come accross that way to me. They're genuine concerns that seem to be being dismissed as antivax statements.

The two questions I've raised were does anyone know how long the protection lasts from the vaccine? No one has been able to answer yet.

Seeing as the vaccine is based on injecting a small portion of the virus into the subject is it possible for them to then transmit the virus to other people? Again no one has been able to answer yet.

I think both points are extremely important factors.

i wasn’t referring to your two questions as a nonsense though, i think they are reasonable questions. they don’t know how long it will last. the vaccine doesn’t contain the virus, so it can’t infect people with it.

but to say “it’s not been properly tested, and you know it!” is a nonsense.

edit: i see everybody else already answered this.

 

[SirLugg]

well yeah kinda I guess at the NHS study came out in August 2015 & I quit in June 2016
(nearly a year later), so guess anybody who quit from late 2015 could perhaps answer this

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/e-cigarettes-95-less-harmful-than-smoking-says-report/

in reality we all knew we had to quit & had failed numerous times
with nicotine gum, cold turkey, self help/hypno crap
so most of us likely knew we needed some form of nicotine delivery system
and likely an emulation perhaps of smoking to succeed this time around

so with it being rolled out by some health trusts, the report, nearly a year later...
it seemed a little more tested & a viable option that still has a higher success rate for quitting

though this "quitting" is open to debate as it is said we simply substituted one device (smoking)
for another (vaping), and the real quitters (completely quitting & complete cold turkey no nic etc...)
seem to be the ones using other methods than vaping (which often is just a replacement)

Me personally I really needed to quit after failing so many times before
the study 10 months prior to me taking up vaping & support for it from NHS helped assure perhaps
but so did the freebie kit given to me, plus agreed to try & quit if we voted to leave EU
so switched to vaping about 3~4 days after the referendum in June 2016

I get all that, and I’m well versed in all of the studies regarding vaping as I’ve researched it myself time and time again.

However vaping has never, ever been subject to the compound laboratory testing that this vaccine has- simply because it wasn’t in anyone’s interest to do so. And even when it has been subjected to some form of official testing you’re left with two clear sides to the argument. We of course will sway will the pro arguments as we vape, but there are plenty of negative too.


And you’re right about us not having ‘quit’ anything. We haven’t have we? It’s like saying ‘I stopped driving because I sold my BMW, but I drive a Prius now and that’s not the same’. Yeah it is.

I’d used vaping as an example of most of us doing something almost as a last resort because previous attempts had failed, again me included. This isn’t about doing something because any previous attempt had occurred and we hadn’t been able to do it - this is a get it right first time or lots of people will die- either from the Virus , or more to the point from all of the other health issues that aren’t being addressed because were diverting so many resources to look after this one singular issue.

 

[Mr Ripple]

Some good info here....
The UK has approved a COVID vaccine — here’s what scientists now want to know

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03441-8

Very interesting............

Do the vaccines prevent transmission of COVID-19?
In addition to the Pfizer vaccine, regulators are poring over data from another similar vaccine made by Moderna of Cambridge, Massachusetts, and a third vaccine produced by AstraZeneca of Cambridge, UK, and the University of Oxford, UK. All three of these vaccines have been tested in large clinical trials, and have shown promise in preventing disease symptoms.

But none has demonstrated that it prevents infection altogether, or reduces the spread of disease in a population. This leaves open the chance that those who are vaccinated could remain susceptible to asymptomatic infection — and could transmit that infection to others who remain vulnerable. “In the worst case scenario, you have people walking around feeling fine, but shedding virus everywhere,” says virologist Stephen Griffin of the University of Leeds, UK.

 

[Mr Ripple]

i wasn’t referring to your two questions as a nonsense though, i think they are reasonable questions. they don’t know how long it will last. the vaccine doesn’t contain the virus, so it can’t infect people with it.

but to say “it’s not been properly tested, and you know it!” is a nonsense.

edit: i see everybody else already answered this.

It's not nonsense though we're only a couple of months into a two year trial.

 

[zouzounaki]

Very interesting............

Do the vaccines prevent transmission of COVID-19?
In addition to the Pfizer vaccine, regulators are poring over data from another similar vaccine made by Moderna of Cambridge, Massachusetts, and a third vaccine produced by AstraZeneca of Cambridge, UK, and the University of Oxford, UK. All three of these vaccines have been tested in large clinical trials, and have shown promise in preventing disease symptoms.

But none has demonstrated that it prevents infection altogether, or reduces the spread of disease in a population. This leaves open the chance that those who are vaccinated could remain susceptible to asymptomatic infection — and could transmit that infection to others who remain vulnerable. “In the worst case scenario, you have people walking around feeling fine, but shedding virus everywhere,” says virologist Stephen Griffin of the University of Leeds, UK.

aye, this is why some folk are saying the government have put all their eggs in one basket and it might turn out to be a bit shit in comparison to expectations. we will have to see, i suppose.

 

[Rickster]

Very interesting............

Do the vaccines prevent transmission of COVID-19?
In addition to the Pfizer vaccine, regulators are poring over data from another similar vaccine made by Moderna of Cambridge, Massachusetts, and a third vaccine produced by AstraZeneca of Cambridge, UK, and the University of Oxford, UK. All three of these vaccines have been tested in large clinical trials, and have shown promise in preventing disease symptoms.

But none has demonstrated that it prevents infection altogether, or reduces the spread of disease in a population. This leaves open the chance that those who are vaccinated could remain susceptible to asymptomatic infection — and could transmit that infection to others who remain vulnerable. “In the worst case scenario, you have people walking around feeling fine, but shedding virus everywhere,” says virologist Stephen Griffin of the University of Leeds, UK.

Yip I know, I do worry that those that are vaccinated drop their guard before it has been proven to be safe to do so.

 

[zouzounaki]

It's not nonsense though we're only a couple of months into a two year trial.

it is nonsense, like it states at the start of @Rickster article, it has passed the safety tests required for vaccines. it even notes that russia and another country have approved vaccine that actually haven’t been properly tested.

the two year trial is about it’s effectiveness.