MHRA regulation of electronic cigarettes announced

[Szaxe]

You know to read some posts you would think food regulations don't already cover food/ecig flavourings? These are added to medical grade PG, VG and nicotine....

Smaller vendors do what millions of chefs do all over the world .... mix regulated ingredients to create tastes to pleasure their customers

 

[Numpty]

Well.. I thought it might take up a bit less bandwidth to leave a shortish reply and as you're obviously intent on argument just for the sake of it, why bother trying to qualify anything and feed the troll? (shrug)

Sorry you took it that way, all through this I've said the medicine regs were retarded and even said it would not be supported by anyone with an IQ over 9, enforced regulation is coming regardless I just explored an option that could possibly be shaped into something with some benefit as opposed total lock down....

I'm not sure the best way to disagree is to accuse someone of being a troll, deliberately argumentative and suggesting they are guilty of being a pedant, I'd much rather hear why you think my suggestion is so abhorrent and unworkable or better still your ideas to best resolve the issue.
We are on the same side, e-cigs have transformed my life and I'd like it to stay pretty much as it is but something is going to change as those with the power have decided.

Take a moment and find out about my vaping background, it might change what you think I am....
http://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/f...on-how-you-succeeded-in-beating-the-analogues
If it doesn't then thanks for your time.

 

[Numpty]

The purpose of that comment was to explain that everything in life has risk. I disagree with your opinions, but you are entitled to them the same as I am mine.

Now, as we have both stated and agreed that as it stands Vaping is safer than smoking. Personally, I believe it to be 99.9% safer due to the amount of ingredients. That really is enough for me. NRT inhalators are deemed a medicinal product, and they have a damn sight more chemicals in them, than my lowly ejuice.

Ok, fine lets have your regulation, but can you sit there and state that it is 100% safe all of the time?? Thats the joke with checks and regulation, its not, so what is the point. You are talking about the threat of prosecution, how many manufacturers have been prosecuted over Horse meat??

GVC recently was tested and found to pass. What did it actually pass, what was tested?? Was it tested to see if it was free from nasty substances or Reindeers??

Also what happens with this proposed regulation, will it be UK or Worldwide??

Personally, I am not a 'glass half empty' or 'glass half full' person, I have bigger and better things to worry about than my trusted juice vendors, and its my choice and mine only to who I use.

Its not regulation we need, its education to vendors and users alike to what is acceptable and what is not. As I have said before, you can lead a horse to water, but cant make it drink

We agree on most things, that's good but one of many examples of education not being enough would be drink driving, millions have been spent on that, would it be ok with you if all they done was place information online, sponsor a nightly TV ad and then withdraw all rights to stop and breath test from the Police ?

I would think there's not a license holding adult that does not understand driving after drinking is dangerous, irresponsible and a potential threat to the public, this example supports your point that regulation isn't the perfect answer but supports mine that something is needed and even the imperfect does reduce risk by a substantial amount.
It's a question of balance and the medicine option is most certainly the option furthest away from what is needed that I have heard of.

What do you suggest being as do nothing is not going to be on offer ?

 

[steffijade]

Sorry you took it that way, all through this I've said the medicine regs were retarded and even said it would not be supported by anyone with an IQ over 9, enforced regulation is coming regardless I just explored an option that could possibly be shaped into something with some benefit as opposed total lock down....

I'm not sure the best way to disagree is to accuse someone of being a troll, deliberately argumentative and suggesting they are guilty of being a pedant, I'd much rather hear why you think my suggestion is so abhorrent and unworkable or better still your ideas to best resolve the issue.
We are on the same side, e-cigs have transformed my life and I'd like it to stay pretty much as it is but something is going to change as those with the power have decided.

Take a moment and find out about my vaping background, it might change what you think I am....
http://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/f...on-how-you-succeeded-in-beating-the-analogues
If it doesn't then thanks for your time.

Thanks, but I don't need to see your resume.

You are entitled to your viewpoint in the same way I'm entitled to mine.

Enforced regulation is already here if you bothered to check.

I don't find it abhorrent that you want to have unnecessary extra regulation, just misguided.

If you want to prove that you aren't just being pedantic and trolling then stop being argumentative.

And just an fyi.. 'doing what you like is freedom... liking what you do is happiness' means yes, you can do what you like in the pursuit of freedom but unless it brings you happiness, doing what you like is futile.

 

[AndyC1971]

Is every drink driver caught???

Do I drink drive?? Of course not, because I have been EDUCATED that its not acceptable.

So with your proposals then, are you stating I should be banned from driving, because others have been stupid enough to drive whilst under the influence or be tested everytime before I get behind the wheel??

Adds to my argument, you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it drink

 

[Numpty]

You know to read some posts you would think food regulations don't already cover food/ecig flavourings? These are added to medical grade PG, VG and nicotine....

Smaller vendors do what millions of chefs do all over the world .... mix regulated ingredients to create tastes to pleasure their customers

True but does that include the nicotine base and the numerous products shipping in from China ?
Does UK made juice mean every component was produced in the UK to the required standard or just mixed in the UK, why are only 30% of sites able to supply PG/VG ratios prior to purchase.
It is so close but so inconsistent, it will get there and I hope not because I've stood in Boots to collect my monthly allocation of 30ml of 4 % without fruity flavours !!!!

 

[Numpty]

Is every drink driver caught???

Do I drink drive?? Of course not, because I have been EDUCATED that its not acceptable.

So with your proposals then, are you stating I should be banned from driving, because others have been stupid enough to drive whilst under the influence or be tested everytime before I get behind the wheel??

Adds to my argument, you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it drink

I'm confused as to why you are of the impression I would want to impose a blanket ban because of a minority or waste resources checking everyone ?
I'm sure you do not drink and drive and I'm sure it's due to being educated but more likely due to your conscience and morals, not everyone has the same moral compass, this was not about restricting everyone it was to discuss whether education is enough.

I did not suggest increasing breath testing I was wondering what would happen if all tests were gone and the only restriction or influence on the subject was information and a persons own moral code, I personally think drink driving would increase if it was not being actively monitored.

I think we have covered at length no system is perfect but having a situation were no one is physically going and checking can be much worse.

 

[Szaxe]

I am not going to be drawn in this never ending circle .... but state that I chose to vape 3 years ago, to join loony vapers that had already pioneered the miracle.

I didn't want to teach them how to suck eggs, just to stop smoking tobacco.

If you want pre-packaged, processed vaping, buy some Elites But please stop trying to push them on us !!!

 

[AndyC1971]

Wow, I am amazed how we have got from additional regulation to drink driving!! So, I will make this my last post on the matter.

Do you really think drink driving has decreased due to testing?? It was illegal in the 70s but happened a damn site more than it happened today, because it was socially acceptable. The reduction is due to it not being morally acceptable now, and that is because of pressure from other UK citizens, not the government or government regulatory bodies. Oh wait, its called self regulation.

 

[Numpty]

Thanks, but I don't need to see your resume.

You are entitled to your viewpoint in the same way I'm entitled to mine.

Enforced regulation is already here if you bothered to check.

I don't find it abhorrent that you want to have unnecessary extra regulation, just misguided.

If you want to prove that you aren't just being pedantic and trolling then stop being argumentative.

And just an fyi.. 'doing what you like is freedom... liking what you do is happiness' means yes, you can do what you like in the pursuit of freedom but unless it brings you happiness, doing what you like is futile.

I would be grateful if you could tell me who and how these regulations on Vaping products are being enforced and how the regulations were drawn up, this is a serious request as I really don't know all I need to know, my comments have been verses the medicine option and how to water down their proposal and see where there might be some benefits providing it's not too restrictive or costly.
I don't want extra unnecessary regulations, I don't want the MHRA option either I just think as it will happen regardless what would be workable and where might some benefit be....

As yet I have not heard any constructive argument other than vapers and vendors don't want it and we have some rules already and a sizeable hint of 'power to the people',
I like that idea but it is not ever going to happen unless we go the full revolution route and then I think the period of near anarchy might over shadow the mixing of a few liquids....