Salient Differences?

[clint]

I have no issue with good quality clones. I have no issue with good quality originals either. What I buy depends on what I want at the time and what my budget is.

 

[Dr_Puff]

Interesting.

I hand make, produce products that are sold all over the world. To bespoke specification and in my eyes a high end product for a 'real world price'. - Companies alongside what I do vary there product from £10 to £65,000 - for what is essentially a 'finite' cost built product.

i.e it's makeup can only cost a certain amount - And this is in the 00's not 000's

Horses for courses, some people will insist on only using the products that cost 000's+ as in their 'eye' it's better and that will only do. - it's also a BBQ bragging point discussion on many levels.

Interesting point is that one of my products was up in the nominations as product of the year for 2013, ahead and beating many other companies with millions of ££ at their disposal - Customers matter, customers speak, customers make the business and either make or break the business.

I am merely one out of many thousand of companies around the world in that line of business yet there is room for us all.

Same with original vaping items or clones. There will be a market for both or a market for each - one could argue that a clone purchase could become an OEM purchase down the line so it's not all bad roses.

Facts are - All the while there are companies producing items that feed the customers requirements and pocket, then these items will be made to suit.

A debate that could roll for years.


..... Fake Rolex or Real Rolex ???

IP and Copyright protection is the only insistence - cease and desist on manufacturer protection has to be in place going forward. - Chinese forgery / cloning will never end but there are legal routes to the manufacturer if they pursued them

 

[steffijade]

At one time, I would have probably sided with the 'originals', but having seen how folk are quite willing to sit at their computers, getting rsi from hitting refresh when a new batch of (insert whichever limited run, sought after shiny you feel appropriate) becomes available, buying up as many of them as they possibly can and then selling them on purely for profit, I have come to believe that there is an actual need for clones.

The clone may well be mass produced, possibly with a lower quality control threshold but if it's available in higher volumes than the original so more people can own one, then I don't have that much of an issue with it.

Besides, if someone buys a clone and falls head over heels in 'vape love' for it, there's nothing to then stop them going out and buying an original if they want to and are prepared to wait for it to become available if necessary.

In some circles, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

 

[Tubbyengineer]

It's a quality thing, The original has been conceived by someone and then prototyped, tested, refined, retested, production specified, machined, rigouorously quality controlled, cleaned, reworked, cleaned again, inspected and finally released for sale. The clone gets swiped, then measured, cheapest stainless specified, machined, a quick inspection and thrown in a box for sale... Sometimes I even wonder if they bother inspecting them at all...

 

[wuz_uk]

It's a quality thing, The original has been conceived by someone and then prototyped, tested, refined, retested, production specified, machined, rigouorously quality controlled, cleaned, reworked, cleaned again, inspected and finally released for sale. The clone gets swiped, then measured, cheapest stainless specified, machined, a quick inspection and thrown in a box for sale... Sometimes I even wonder if they bother inspecting them at all...

i am sure they dont, thats were the sellers in the UK come in we all know the mark up on clones between China and the UK but we are more willing to buy from a UK clone seller
as we know that they will do the QC work for us and ship it to us in days not weeks.

So if the Chinese started doing QC and better finishing that would force up the cost from them and leave less margin for the uk based sellers and i am sure that some of them would vanish

 

[Tubbyengineer]

They'll vanish anyway if they only sell crap that breaks in weeks or days, repeat business is the key to survival in this trade. Just watch the cheap ego merchants pop up and dissapear again - It's like playing "Whack a mole" with dodgy vendors...

 

[Scoff]

When you think that in reality, all it is, is a metal tube that holds a battery. If a clone is made well and the battery connections are spot on, then in my opinion ( for what that's worth ) it's not worth buying the real mccoy cuz will you be getting any better performance.
I think elitist people who look down there noses at clone users are a bit like the school bully. Who remembers walking out the house for the first time in your Lacoste or Polo Tshirt to have the cool kids grabbing at the neck so they can have a look at the label. And then 95% of em didn't even know what they were looking for.
You just get what's good for you. Some people have the funds to buy the real mods and some people have to save up for them, but there's no way I could justify spending £150 on something that I can get for £15 from China that does pretty much the same job.

 

[Miss Pepper]

Im a clone queen. For the amount ive spent on my nemi's i could have one original. Same with my various tanks. But i love having different finishes and i would have cost an arm and a leg.

However, i have one original nemi tube and am saving for the original bits and the dome to go on it. Who will know if i do put clone parts on it? Me and others who can spot its not a full original. Does it bother me for that reason? Heck no, i love everything to do with greece and at the moment it doesnt look like im going over this year (elderly cat thats like the duracel bunny!) therefore im having a bit of greece to to me im pleased to be able to get an original bit by bit x

 

[RicModMaker]

The way I see it is that vaping for some people is different than vaping for others. Most of us start from the same place vaping to give up the cigs and move onto getting better gear and clones are great and affordable for this. Some clones do as good a job as the originals and some don't but on the whole, they are amazing value.

My reasons for me using clones was cost and for trying out lots to see which ones I got on with best and they have nearly all been exceptional. But vaping for me is now becoming more of a hobby and a scene which I'm enjoying growing into and I'm surrounded with things that work well but are copied. I'm starting to feel that respect should be paid to the innovators in workshops who created what the Chinese are mass producing and selling to us, who mostly have no clue or care what went into making them originally.

So I guess what I'm saying is clones do the job and for me, showed me what I like so It'll soon be time to sell up these good clones and pay my respect to the people that deserve it. After all, i wouldn't be enjoying the quality clones i am currently using unless they'd worked their arses off innovating in the first place.

 

[Blossom]

The clone manufacturers are now making good devices. I just feel it's time they added their own 'logo' designs and started selling them as their own products, and stopped trying to sell them off the back of someone else's 'brand'.