Sorry if already asked - is vaping dangerous in terms of covid?

[oldhippydude]

Vaping is dangerous in terms of covid, not specially for you as a individual, but may represent a serious problem if an infected person vapes in public (specially in closed shared spaces).



Its time to be a discrete vaper, more than ever.

I agree it about being discrete. I am not convinced about the serious problem.
The fact folk can see where your breath is going when you vape, or smell it even if they can not see it, may be perceived as a problem and that is a good enough reason to be discrete.

I would want to see some evidence of the "may represent a serious problem" as zou says it may not. Mixing the virus with vg,pg and nic, might make it less contagious or make absolutely no difference.

 

[oldhippydude]

I vape quite hard i think, like im on it all day and im a bit concerned that if i catch this virus then i might be weaker in fighting it? any info?

Absolutely no info.
Just theories and opinions.

You might as well go with your own theories and opinions.

 

[Gert Meyers]

Absolutely no info.
Just theories and opinions.

Hmmm... have you seen this?

https://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/...urce=nl&utm_medium=news&utm_campaign=nid-7855

As regards blowing large clouds of vapour in confined spaces, I think it's obvious that it should be a no-no during these testing times, regardless of the effect of PG or nicotine on the virus.

 

[oldhippydude]

Hmmm... have you seen this?

https://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/...urce=nl&utm_medium=news&utm_campaign=nid-7855

Yes.
Still not enough evidence to say whether vaping is good or bad in relation to covid19

Most of us will continue to vape either because we are addicted or even just because we want to.

Some will jump on the idea nic is protective to justify vaping.

What I have read is that smokers might get covid 19 less than would be expected but if they do the are more likely to get it bad.
What does that mean for vaping, the science does not say. Though we will all have our theories and opinions.

 

[Richard Winter]

All good stuff but there is no getting away from the fact that nicotine as a stand alone chemical, is NOT the addictive killer that its associated with in relation to cigarettes. It's the other chemicals produced that are the killer.
I've read many papers over the years highlighting this and some protruding to nicotine helping in terms of reducing the onset of Altzimers.

 

[oldhippydude]

All good stuff but there is no getting away from the fact that nicotine as a stand alone chemical, is NOT the addictive killer that its associated with in relation to cigarettes. It's the other chemicals produced that are the killer.
I've read many papers over the years highlighting this and some protruding to nicotine helping in terms of reducing the onset of Altzimers.

Did someone say it was?

 

[Richard Winter]

Did someone say it was?

My apologies, I was only making a comment.

 

[Gert Meyers]

Yes.
Still not enough evidence to say whether vaping is good or bad in relation to covid19

No, that will take some time to generate. But what we have there is more than:

"Absolutely no info."

There may also be a delicious irony here. The anti-tobacco lobby which lazily lumps smoking and vaping together, was quick to claim Corona would be worse for smokers/vapers. Tentative evidence now seems to prove otherwise.

 

[oldhippydude]

No, that will take some time to generate. But what we have there is more than:

"Absolutely no info."

There may also be a delicious irony here. The anti-tobacco lobby which lazily lumps smoking and vaping together, was quick to claim Corona would be worse for smokers/vapers. Tentative evidence now seems to prove otherwise.

My post was in reply to the question
"I vape quite hard i think, like im on it all day and im a bit concerned that if i catch this virus then i might be weaker in fighting it? any info?"

I should have said not enough info to make an informed assessment of the relative risks for a vaper or non vaper in relation to covid .

Are you confident that vaping improves you chances of either not getting the virus or having a less severe case if you do get it.

You reveal your cognitive bias when you say " Tentative evidence now seems to prove otherwise" Tentative evidence proves nothing it just indicates something might be worth exploring further.

Imo vaping probably does not make your lungs more healthy compared to not vaping. Having healthy lungs probably does improve your prospects with the virus. If nicotine does turn out to be protective then vaping it is probably better than smoking it though it is probably not the safest way to administer it. I understand nicotine patches are being tested for their effect, so we should get some scientific info on that method at some point.

We may well get some science on vaping, though it will probably turn up with the analysis of the body count because we are unlikely to see double blind trials for vaping.

We should not tell the op that vaping is not a problem with covid. We do not know one way or the other, though obviously we have opinions and theories.

 

[Gert Meyers]

You reveal your cognitive bias when you say " Tentative evidence now seems to prove otherwise" Tentative evidence proves nothing it just indicates something might be worth exploring further.

Man, what does boy have to do around here NOT to be accused of cognitive bias???

The evidence IS tentative and shouldn't be brushed under the carpet. To say so isn't a form of cognitive bias, it's just a statement of fact. Do read the article again, please.

Now what would happen if more research showed that Cytokine storms can be dampened by nicotine? Well, surely we won't start prescribing nicotine (in whatever form) in the Covid-19 context, because nicotine is highly addictive. The only possibility here is to develop a 'non-addictive form of nicotine'.

Considering the current Remdesivir developments in the US, most research may be redirected towards that effort though.