The Mirror is at it again

[steffijade]

Another complaint sent off to IPSO for breaching clauses 1,2 & 4 (decided to add harassment as well this time as the jerkwad seems to be engaging in a smear campaign).

 

[Diche]

Is this another case of publish via media leak or is there actually a peer reviewed paper to back this up?

 

[Diablo]

@schlinky oh no won't someone think of the children with their iphones glued to their hands/heads 24/7 from 2 years old... and yes I have seen them at that age....

Yeah think of the children

 

[nikki from mars]

Diablo yup... thinking what the fuck that holds for the future *shudder*

 

[Diablo]

Should be images like that every time somebody uses the think of the children battle cry

 

[steffijade]

Is this another case of publish via media leak or is there actually a peer reviewed paper to back this up?

PLOS ONE: Exposure to Electronic Cigarettes Impairs Pulmonary Anti-Bacterial and Anti-Viral Defenses in a Mouse Model

The study says they used a modified 'puff' machine to expose mice to a 2 second puff every 10 seconds for 90 minutes, twice a day for 2 weeks.. all while confined in a 2 litre volume container. The machine used a carousel to rotate 6 e-cigs so that each one ended up being used for 2 seconds every minute for 90 minutes (which makes 180 2 second puffs per day). It also states the cartos were changed once a week.

Thing is, the e-cig they used seems to be a cigalike with a carto that holds about 1ml of liquid. If they changed the cartos once per week that means they were getting 1260 2 second puffs out of a cartridge. I've seen some exaggerated claims for number of puffs in a cigalike but 1260 puffs seems somewhat, erm... fanciful.

Chances are, the poor mice were getting blasted with burnt wadding for a good portion of the time they were cooped up in that 2 litre box. Sounds suspiciously like scientists that don't have a clue how ecigs work or they know exactly how they work and wanted burnt wadding to rig the results.

Burnt clearos producing formaldehyde, burnt cartos producing lung conditions in mice crammed into a 2 litre box. If I was cynical I might think there was a pattern emerging.

 

[Callum1100]

Is this based on the same study that tested ce4's at 5v?


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[steffijade]

Is this based on the same study that tested ce4's at 5v?


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Not that I'm aware. It seems to be a separate study but if my suspicions are correct, it's based on conditions that wouldn't arise in the real world.

Nobody would vape a cigalike until the wadding in the carto burnt and then continue to inhale burnt wadding up to 1260 puffs. In the real world, they'd change the carto once it got dry. It seems to me the people carrying out this study may have used burnt cartos to end up with doctored results, but I'm no expert.

Maybe Dr F will have a looksee and come up with a response.

 

[VickyCaramel]

Not that I'm aware. It seems to be a separate study but if my suspicions are correct, it's based on conditions that wouldn't arise in the real world.

Nobody would vape a cigalike until the wadding in the carto burnt and then continue to inhale burnt wadding up to 1260 puffs. In the real world, they'd change the carto once it got dry. It seems to me the people carrying out this study may have used burnt cartos to end up with doctored results, but I'm no expert.

Maybe Dr F will have a looksee and come up with a response.

I'd love to be cynical about this, because thats what I do best. But I am guessing at first glance, that because they adapted some kind of "Jaeger-Baumgartner Cigarette Smoke Machine", is that they were trying to replicate some previous study adapted for e-cigarettes.

...and yes. It is likely they didn't know what the hell they were doing.

I know that I vape nothing like I smoke. I did at first, but a year in and my habits have changed. They seriously need to do much more research on how people actually vape and on what hardware. I haven't seen anybody using a cigalike... ever! I was bought some, but I didn't get on with them and they taste like nothing I use now.

Aside from anything, do we know that what the tobacco companies put in their cigalikes in any way resembles what we buy in a bottle?

 

[MrTeaTime]

You can't tell he's a Cockney can you!!!

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