(This is it) TPD Regulations 2016

[mannikon]

With regards to the TPD I still feel that the most important parts of the legislation are
Regulation 36

(2) Nicotine-containing liquid which is presented for retail sale must be in—


(a) a dedicated refill container in a volume not exceeding 10 millilitres; or


(b) a disposable electronic cigarette, a single use cartridge, or a tank, in a volume not


exceeding 2 millilitres.


(3) The capacity of the tank of a refillable electronic cigarette must not exceed 2 millilitres.

Part (2) above is fairly easy to digest and interpret - If it's got liquid in, when presented for sale, then it's 10ml for a bottle of juice and 2ml for a tank. IMPORTANT - Part (2) only applies if the bottle, or tank, has e-liquid in!

Part (3) is not so straightforward to interpret, BUT SHOULD BE when taken at face value without the restrictions of worry gutting and mithering! Part (3) CLEARLY states that the tank capacity of a "Refillable Electronic Cigarette" must not exceed 2ml (whether it's sold with juice in or not) . No problem understanding or interpreting that.
BUT - A tank on it's own, with no liquid in it, no battery, no electronics and no means of operating as an electronic cigarette, is NOT AN ELECTRONIC CIGARETTE.

Take the TPD at face value and implement what it defines, and NOT what you think it defines will be, in my opinion a very wise move.

ps Regulation 36 Part 10 (b) which clearly states that the juice bottles (refill containers) operate by means of a docking system which only releases refill liquids into the tank of an electronic cigarette when the electronic cigarette and refill container are connected will, for the mitherers, prove to be a huge headache and mind fuck

Shhh!

 

[Muck777]

A tank on it's own, with no liquid in it, no battery, no electronics and no means of operating as an electronic cigarette, is NOT AN ELECTRONIC CIGARETTE.

They didn't say it was.

They say "the tank of a refillable electronic cigarette". Is a Kayfun not a tank of a refillable electronic cigarette, simply because it's not on a mod?

 

[cheersm8]

They didn't say it was.

They say "the tank of a refillable electronic cigarette". Is a Kayfun not a tank of a refillable electronic cigarette, simply because it's not on a mod?

If you want it to be, then it is, if you don't, it isn't. What I mean is, neither "the mod" or "the tank" are a "refillable electronic cigarette" until they are joined together to make a unit.
It's unfortunate that opinions like yours and mine are only formulated by ourselves because we are more vaping savvy than the bureaucrats that formulated the TPD. Their brains cannot see beyond "electronic cigarette" and appear to be (deliberately?) ignorant of more advanced (but in common use) vaping devices (the multitude of mods/tanks and combos)
But my views, interpretations, and opinions are, like all others, only unfounded guesswork and speculation.
Many of us are worried (well, mildly concerned?) about the tank capacity limit thing the reality of which will, no doubt, produce an assortment of workarounds but that other "sneaky nasty" the docking system for refilling could, if implemented literally, put the kibosh on our humble, but necessary 10ml bottles of juice, as we know them.

 

[allen]

Obviously he's talking about the USA who for the most part are having a worse time of it than us.
But the principle remains the same. Shoot me down in flames at will, but I think this relevant wherever you live.

When I saw this, I thought it's a bloody good point.
there's an estimated 2.6 million voters/vapers in the UK and we should make sure our views are being represented (if possible bearing in mind other issues we each may want to vote for)

We've got 3 london elections coming up soon - so I eamiled most of the named candidates
(and yes, it was a bit of a leading question)

Hello there


We’re nearly at the time when people will be voting
In the UK there are now an estimated 2.6 million people who vape / use e-cigarettes
The Royal College of physicians recently came up with some very positive points about vaping (https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/projects/outputs/nicotine-without-smoke-tobacco-harm-reduction-0)


So, as someone who I could vote for, I would be interested to know what your stance on vaping is please?
· Should it be taxed and regulated into oblivion as the EU seems to want?
· Or allowed to develop in order that those 2.6 million people who have stopped smoking by use of these devices can remain non-smokers?


I've only got one reply so far, this being from Zac Goldsmith who stated "...........as an MP I certainly support vaping. "

How much work would it take to get emails sent to as many MPs as possible? if nothing else, it'd let them know we're interested in their stance

 

[Simon G]

We should start a campaign "Vapers are Voters" ...... to remind them that we are a very large chunk of the voting population.

anyone know how to 'do' websites? I don't have a clue but have ideas.

 

[velocitygirl]

https://www.writetothem.com is a good way of doing this. I emailed my meps when the report came out and asked them what they intended to do to address the concerns raised. I've had one automated reply so far. Even though replies may be few and far between I always think it's worth reminding them that they are only here because they're voted in. They may pay more attention in the future.

 

[velocitygirl]

PS if you email someone who doesn't represent you they can't/won't reply, much like the ones who do :/ (mostly)

 

[Simon G]

Sadly my local MP is a old tory cunt (please excuse) who doesn't give a shit about what anyone thinks, when all that fox hunting stuff was going on a while back thousands of local people wrote to him and we all got the same standard (sent by his sec I presume) reply saying basically .... I don't give a shit what any of the local people think, I'm voting how I want too.

He's a fucking asshole. (please excuse again)

 

[velocitygirl]

A quick mention for http://vapersinpower.co.uk

 

[vapeyjo]

The Tobacco and Related Products Regulations 2016

my question is are the tobacco companys going to have to follow these regulations as its the The Tobacco and Related Products Regulations 2016

because if not then this is a direct attack on the vaping comunity