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[Crewella]

Called by the employee for what reason? If it's for an inappropriate reason it should be reported to the landlord and even the police if it"s harassment. Or she could just tell them to fuck off and hang up. Either way, one, or even a few such cases doesn't negate the very valid reason for contact tracing when people are sharing an enclosed space in a pandemic with a killer virus that's super contagious. If leaving a contact number is that much of a worry then maybe the solution is to stay out of the pubs?

I didn't start this thread to negate the reason for leaving details, I was in concerned that the various establishments, and indeed the police according to the article, might be misusing the data. Under GDPR we need clear rules, for everyone's safety?

 

[knome]

FFS, now I'm worried about leaving comments in Visitor Books on me holibobs...

 

[MarylinC37]

I didn't start this thread to negate the reason for leaving details, I was in concerned that the various establishments, and indeed the police according to the article, might be misusing the data. Under GDPR we need clear rules, for everyone's safety?

It's something the government needs to get a grip on to tighten the regulations so they make sure covid data is securely stored and only used for contact tracing. Even the police shouldn't get access or people won't cooperate the way they need.

 

[Mitz]

I didn't start this thread to negate the reason for leaving details, I was in concerned that the various establishments, and indeed the police according to the article, might be misusing the data. Under GDPR we need clear rules, for everyone's safety?

I know.

I didn't think for one second that you were suggesting via your post that people shouldn't leave a means of contact. And I agree - contact details should be treated accordingly. But just as this country is full of idiots who think that they are so special that masks don't apply to them, I'll bet the shirt of my back that it's equally full of self-assessed special cases who don't need to leave their contact details - most likely because they either believe they'll never catch it or because they believe it's a big conspiracy and doesn't exist at all. There's no shortage of people who will use any excuse not to comply whilst putting others at risk.

I must admit that I'm struggling to see what useful information the police are going to gleen from contact tracing contact info collected by a pub. If that is a concern we should genuinely have then I think the issues facing the UK and UK policing in general are far greater than most people could have ever imagined.

Also, as I said in a previous post, I see no reason for anyone who feels concerned about giving out their home address to not just give their name and contact number only. Don't even have to give a real name. All that matters is that they have a phone number to contact people if they suspect that tbey may have potentially contracted coronavirus. Could a wayward pub employee abuse their privilege and call a females number asking for a date? Of course. Apparently it's already happened. I'm sure a female employee could do the same with the number of a male patron that's caught her eye. It's inappropriate and shouldn't happen and if it does it should be reported and there should be consequences. I don't see it as a massive issue tho. But as you hinted to, maybe I would feel differently if I was female. Unfortunately, I'll never know.

These are my feelings. I don't expect them to be shared by everyone and obviously my lack of concern doesn't negate the concern of others. Ultimately, I agree. Contact info should be treated sensitively.

 

[Crewella]

I know.

I didn't think for one second that you were suggesting via your post that people shouldn't leave a means of contact. And I agree - contact details should be treated accordingly. But just as this country is full of idiots who think that they are so special that masks don't apply to them, I'll bet the shirt of my back that it's equally full of self-assessed special cases who don't need to leave their contact details - most likely because they either believe they'll never catch it or because they believe it's a big conspiracy and doesn't exist at all. There's no shortage of people who will use any excuse not to comply whilst putting others at risk.

I must admit that I'm struggling to see what useful information the police are going to gleen from contact tracing contact info collected by a pub. If that is a concern we should genuinely have then I think the issues facing the UK and UK policing in general are far greater than most people could have ever imagined.

Also, as I said in a previous post, I see no reason for anyone who feels concerned about giving out their home address to not just give their name and contact number only. Don't even have to give a real name. All that matters is that they have a phone number to contact people if they suspect that tbey may have potentially contracted coronavirus. Could a wayward pub employee abuse their privilege and call a females number asking for a date? Of course. Apparently it's already happened. I'm sure a female employee could do the same with the number of a male patron that's caught her eye. It's inappropriate and shouldn't happen and if it does it should be reported and there should be consequences. I don't see it as a massive issue tho. But as you hinted to, maybe I would feel differently if I was female. Unfortunately, I'll never know.

These are my feelings. I don't expect them to be shared by everyone and obviously my lack of concern doesn't negate the concern of others. Ultimately, I agree. Contact info should be treated sensitively.

Agreed. And IMHO the more securely people feel their contact details will be kept, then the less excuse they will have to consider themselves 'special'?

 

["Misfit"]

Are we getting to the stage where we will have to leave contact details everywhere we go ?
If so this is getting really Orweilian.
If this happen then i will just stay indoors and lock myself away, maybe that is their intentions.

 

[Crewella]

Are we getting to the stage where we will have to leave contact details everywhere we go ?
If so this is getting really Orweilian.
If this happen then i will just stay indoors and lock myself away, maybe that is their intentions.

I don't like the fact any more than you do (don't even have a mobile 'phone) ...................... but in this instance I can see the point.

And yes ................ just staying put sounds delightful right now.

 

["Misfit"]

So what happens if you have no mobile, not receiving benefits and are homeless ?

 

[ForestMagpie]

I didn't start this thread to negate the reason for leaving details, I was in concerned that the various establishments, and indeed the police according to the article, might be misusing the data. Under GDPR we need clear rules, for everyone's safety?

The rules are already laid out under GDPR/DPA. The organisation mist make it clear what they are collecting, why and for how long they will keep the records. Any organisation not doing this is in breach of the law. A simple explanation of Covid-19 is deemed sufficient. However, they should limit the number of people who have access to this data, these people should be trained and the data should be disposed of securely after 21 days. How many pubs etc will be aware of this? Very few I'd garner, that's the issue, they aren't trained for this and thus the government should have provided them with all this and if not in place they should not be allowed to open. Any establishment just having a sign in book for people to leave their details in is in breach of the law. The law also provides that law enforcement can apply to see these details as long as they can show why they need the details under PACE.
I'm not going to the pub for a good while yet.

 

[MarylinC37]

I think there's two conflicting issues that the government are having difficulty trying to balance.

On the one hand they are under pressure to get contact tracing working effectively as fast as possible to try to slow the spread of the virus as much as possible.

On the other they would normally make the Information Commisioner responsible for implementing the right data protection measures. The problem with that is if they pile too much extra red tape onto businesses that's only going to slow down getting the contact tracing system working.

Unfortunately the virus isn't going to cooperate and wait for them to sort everything out.