Trump says "Don't fear coronavirus".

[Fuctifino]

As for trump, i think he is faking it to take attention off the debate that he REALLY screwed up and basically looked like a lunatic. Hes either faking he had it, or faking that hes better(or he has the cure).
His lips r moving, hes lying. Plain and simple

and this is the story of the spanish flu
http://www.history.com/.amp/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic

Take note of the world population now and then, the lack of decent medicine (not just vaccines), as well as the masks and closures they mandated as well as WW1 helping to transfer it in mass across the world and i believe it said 30% of the worlds population caught it.

We are at 1% i think? 10% maybe...somewhere in there?

And the conclusion as to why it ended was that it simply killed everyone who didnt live through it and develop antibodies.

You mean the 1918 flu that was deemed over by 1919/1920

That infected 33% to 56% of the worlds population (500m to 1bn estimate of a 1.8bn population)

So why didn't the remainder of the world become infected if it was so rife ???

But to be honest I was referring to the more recent flu outbreaks in UK
1975~1983 & 1992~2000 where the death toll was higher than COVID-19

 

[Jd_]

You mean the 1918 flu that was deemed over by 1919/1920

That infected 33% to 56% of the worlds population (500m to 1bn estimate of a 1.8bn population)

So why didn't the remainder of the world become infected if it was so rife ???

But to be honest I was referring to the more recent flu outbreaks in UK
1975~1983 & 1992~2000 where the death toll was higher than COVID-19

The spanish flu is the flu you catch today. It never went away. It was the original H1N1. The flu's we get today all (or most i guess) all are mutations of it.

It said at the end, the first wave of flu hit 30% of the population, and people who didnt make antibodies died. Over the last hundred years, people who make antibodies have kids who make antibodies and dont die, and people who do die have kids who dont make antibodies and they slowly get killed off.

Plus medicines like penicillin, vaccines, better medical care we have a better control over it.

Yeah, i saw that graph, thats weird, but its possible those years had a mutation that was more deadly and it took us that long at the time to get a vaccine for that mutation. No internet, communication was slow, much less powerful computers or no computers at all. Things took longer back then.

The 75-83 can also possibly be explained because the vaccines used then often gave ppl the flu.

 

[Fuctifino]

The spanish flu is the flu you catch today. It never went away. It was the original H1N1. The flu's we get today all (or most i guess) all are mutations of it.

It said at the end, the first wave of flu hit 30% of the population, and people who didnt make antibodies died. Over the last hundred years, people who make antibodies have kids who make antibodies and dont die, and people who do die have kids who dont make antibodies and they slowly get killed off.

Plus medicines like penicillin, vaccines, better medical care we have a better control over it.

Yeah, i saw that graph, thats weird, but its possible those years had a mutation that was more deadly and it took us that long at the time to get a vaccine for that mutation. No internet, communication was slow, much less powerful computers or no computers at all. Things took longer back then.

The 75-83 can also possibly be explained because the vaccines used then often gave ppl the flu.

UK started to a massive flu vaccination programme in 2000 after the 1992~2000 outbreak...

"The widespread flu vaccination was introduced in the UK in 2000"

My main point was about during these two periods of higher mortality
there was no lockdown measures taken - or none that I can remember
nor do I recall a mass hysteria about the rise in deaths during those periods
and certainly not shutting down the country like today

Now as you are stateside - a similar outbreak took place
1957 - Asian Flu with a death toll of 116,000
(not as bad as today - well actually not far off,
1957 pop was just over half @ 172m so a similar mortality per capita to today)

What is more, it is thought this was brought "under control" with a vaccine that was developed quickly

Only it returned in a mutation of "Hong Kong Flu" in 1968 killing 100,000 in US

Funny how they seem to originate from around China lately ???

 

[Jd_]

UK started to a massive flu vaccination programme in 2000 after the 1992~2000 outbreak...

"The widespread flu vaccination was introduced in the UK in 2000"

My main point was about during these two periods of higher mortality
there was no lockdown measures taken - or none that I can remember
nor do I recall a mass hysteria about the rise in deaths during those periods
and certainly not shutting down the country like today

Now as you are stateside - a similar outbreak took place
1957 - Asian Flu with a death toll of 116,000
(not as bad as today - well actually not far off,
1957 pop was just over half @ 172m so a similar mortality per capita to today)

What is more, it is thought this was brought "under control" with a vaccine that was developed quickly

Only it returned in a mutation of "Hong Kong Flu" in 1968 killing 100,000 in US

Funny how they seem to originate from around China lately ???

Probably always, its just we have the tools to track it now
I was reading an article about flu's that originate in china and the scientist who specializes in them who works at the wuhan virology place.

From what I understand, she works there because bats seem to carry a lot of the flu virus dna and china is where those bats r. They also arent exactly sure where this one originated. The bat was found in a different area than wuhan actually. When they tried to trace it back the trail went cold at the wuhan market. It was covered in covid on all the surfaces, etc.

I dont remember any closures either during those times, i also dont remember flu ever being so contagious.
I also think, as in the case of sars, that people wwerejust erring on the side of caution at first. Add a much unhealthier population and global media desperate for clickbate scare tactics and u get what u get.

IMHO this was then used to for financial gain. most people on the richer end just worked remotely. And when they saw the stock market wasnt affected at all, it was basically used as a way to redistribute a mass of wealth upwards while the gettin was good.

The ONLY people who the closures really effected were those on the poorer side.

There are multiple agendas going on

 

[Fuctifino]

There are multiple agendas going on

especially with vaccines within big pharma

Wuhan lab used a protein to get the virus to jump from bats to humans
so they could study it better & then it leaked out is my opinion

there is even a theory that the Spanish Flu could have originated in China...
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...u-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/

Though it is going to be impossible to investigate now 100 years later & no tissue/dna sample

BUT - forgetting Trump & China blame game a second

The two instances from 70's & 90's, there was like 60,000 deaths (influenza & pneumonia)
(I said 60m, which pro-rata is like 70m on todays pop - ergh my bad 70,000 I meant)
That lasted for 8 years aprox - TWICE
that's a lot of increased deaths during those years

That is on the scale of COVID-19 against influenza (no-vaccine),
than brushed aside like BBC changed/updated their graph
(which raised suspicion & saw the spike plus one in the 70's too of similar scale)

The point as I said, despite all the blame game, despite the vaccine/no vaccine/control
the outbreaks that took place did impact the mortality similar to COVID-19 today
(like for like as in no widespread flu vaccination programme,
than compare apples/oranges with a flu vaccination programme)

AGAIN - forgetting all this splitting of hairs, the mortality increased to a similar level we see today from COVID-19

So where was the lockdowns back then and why don't people remember it impacting the country ???

I'm not here to scream flat earth & lizard people etc...
Just pointing out there was similar outbreaks, similar rise in deaths
but no hysteria and panic to close everything down like we see today

 

[Jd_]

especially with vaccines within big pharma

Wuhan lab used a protein to get the virus to jump from bats to humans
so they could study it better & then it leaked out is my opinion

there is even a theory that the Spanish Flu could have originated in China...
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...u-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/

Though it is going to be impossible to investigate now 100 years later & no tissue/dna sample

BUT - forgetting Trump & China blame game a second

The two instances from 70's & 90's, there was like 60,000 deaths (influenza & pneumonia)
(I said 60m, which pro-rata is like 70m on todays pop - ergh my bad 70,000 I meant)
That lasted for 8 years aprox - TWICE
that's a lot of increased deaths during those years

That is on the scale of COVID-19 against influenza (no-vaccine),
than brushed aside like BBC changed/updated their graph
(which raised suspicion & saw the spike plus one in the 70's too of similar scale)

The point as I said, despite all the blame game, despite the vaccine/no vaccine/control
the outbreaks that took place did impact the mortality similar to COVID-19 today
(like for like as in no widespread flu vaccination programme,
than compare apples/oranges with a flu vaccination programme)

AGAIN - forgetting all this splitting of hairs, the mortality increased to a similar level we see today from COVID-19

So where was the lockdowns back then and why don't people remember it impacting the country ???

I'm not here to scream flat earth & lizard people etc...
Just pointing out there was similar outbreaks, similar rise in deaths
but no hysteria and panic to close everything down like we see today

As i said, this was the first unknown virus since 1918, and as it was so contagious they took extreme precautions because they didnt know what the death toll would be.

In those previous examples, they already knew kinda what they were dealing with, and probably weighed economy closures versus what they expected the virus to do. This time they didnt have any previous knowledge.

Also, in those time periods there wasnt so much of an ability to isolate the rich from the poor and profit off closures. Which meant closing the economies would impact it severely. Remember, the upper 10% and to a large part the upper 50% of the population has been completely unaffected because of being able to isolate. They are also the people who own stock, also completely unaffected.

In fact the lockdowns increase the stock prices of tech companies like amazon and apple who have the new found ability to profit off grocery deliveries and ipads to zoom on, as well as those postmate companies who all of a sudden became good investments (which they were only marginally good previously)

The cure that would turn everything back to normal (which is apparently made from fetal tissue derived from aborted babies, talk about a conundrum for pro life people) is apparently being released as an election ploy, and it was just announced here that stimulous checks to help ppl to pay rent will not be released till after the election.

Since donald trump made sure to make everyone think that it was his decision, hes basically using it as extortion, dont elect him, no more stimulous

U may think u r aafe in england, but donald trump has the power to effect every economy in the world and not only the most dangerous person here but thoughout the world, because the man is a sociopath

 

[Fuctifino]

As i said, this was the first unknown virus since 1918, and as it was so contagious they took extreme precautions because they didnt know what the death toll would be.

In those previous examples, they already knew kinda what they were dealing with, and probably weighed economy closures versus what they expected the virus to do. This time they didnt have any previous knowledge.

Also, in those time periods there wasnt so much of an ability to isolate the rich from the poor and profit off closures. Which meant closing the economies would impact it severely. Remember, the upper 10% and to a large part the upper 50% of the population has been completely unaffected because of being able to isolate. They are also the people who own stock, also completely unaffected.

In fact the lockdowns increase the stock prices of tech companies like amazon and apple who have the new found ability to profit off grocery deliveries and ipads to zoom on, as well as those postmate companies who all of a sudden became good investments (which they were only marginally good previously)

The cure that would turn everything back to normal (which is apparently made from fetal tissue derived from aborted babies, talk about a conundrum for pro life people) is apparently being released as an election ploy, and it was just announced here that stimulous checks to help ppl to pay rent will not be released till after the election.

Since donald trump made sure to make everyone think that it was his decision, hes basically using it as extortion, dont elect him, no more stimulous

U may think u r aafe in england, but donald trump has the power to effect every economy in the world and not only the most dangerous person here but thoughout the world, because the man is a sociopath

You have a severe case of TDS for sure...

Doesn't each state control its own lockdown measures ???
So who decided to impose the lockdown measures for each state

Didn't know about the virus - it was known for ages to be present in bats
and Gates & Obama funded research into the study of it

Not getting into the socialism side of stuff

A virus so contagious ???
When the WHO says no transmission, then OK there is transmission
Facemasks are not that effective - no forget that we recommend facemasks etc...

But riddle me this...

Why despite wearing facemasks for over 2 months in UK
(after the initial first wave subsides)
Why despite wearing masks for over two months have the cases of influenza & pneumonia failed to drop ???
Could it be masks, severe lockdowns etc... have little effect on controlling the virus
(along with no reduction to influenza/pneumonia - which you think would drop with all these precautions)

Why is it that despite 14m each year getting the flu vaccine in UK
there has only been a similar reduction to what followed after the 70's outbreak
where levels dropped back down between 1983~1992 without the vaccine roll out

Forget the 1918 figure, look at the 1983~1992 drop compared to 2000 onward vaccine programme
then figure out just how effective the vaccine truly is perhaps
Yes for the very vulnerable it offers some assurance, but other than that,
perhaps not as much hope as some people are lead to think

 

[Mitz]

It's already been said by doctors and scientists ad nauseum that 60%+ of the population would need to take the coronavirus vaccine for it to be fully effective at reducing transmission within the population. Nobody expects the flu vaccine to eradicate the flu. It's expected to protect the vulnerable from catching the particular strains it vaccinates against during any given vaccination cycle. Does 60% of the UK population get the flu jab any given year? I don't think so. And even if they did there'd just be another strain come around. Influenza and coronavirus are not the same thing. They may both be viruses but it's like comparing apples and oranges just because they're both fruits.

 

[akuma]

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[Mitz]

Looks like Trump steaks are back.