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UK Gov To Ban Disposables?

some of those who have ended up addicted to nic might. but they will soon be adults. and future potential vaping kids won’t be attracted to non disposable vapes just like kids before we were flooded with disposables weren’t.
Just because a vape might entail changing a pre-filled pod every so often (easiest option) doesn't mean the kids will stop vaping.

The attraction of disposables has also coincided with less kids smoking.. if they want nic, and don't want to smoke, then either black market disposables (assuming there is a market), pre-filled pods, or the cheap refillable, rechargeable pod changeable types.

Kids may be lazy, but if they want nic, then they'll simply have to put a tiny bit more effort in...
 
Just because a vape might entail changing a pre-filled pod every so often (easiest option) doesn't mean the kids will stop vaping.

The attraction of disposables has also coincided with less kids smoking.. if they want nic, and don't want to smoke, then either black market disposables (assuming there is a market), pre-filled pods, or the cheap refillable, rechargeable pod changeable types.

Kids may be lazy, but if they want nic, then they'll simply have to put a tiny bit more effort in...

it’s not about effort and laziness with the weans. see discussion about juul above. and i don’t believe vapes have led to less kids smoking. smoking rate has been in steady decline for em decades, as we have established.

also, the scottish gov might ban pre-filled pods and all. they are considered weee waste and that report highlights the possibility of them becoming more popular after a disposable ban.
 
it’s not about effort and laziness with the weans. see discussion about juul above. and i don’t believe vapes have led to less kids smoking. smoking rate has been in steady decline for em decades, as we have established.
Looks like we're going round in circles again.. as it seems totally obvious that vapes have impacted smoking rates across the board.. but by how much though, is probably hard to work out/debatable...
If I didn't know any better, I'd actually be inclined to think you're a Bloomberg employee on this matter... ;)
also, the scottish gov might ban pre-filled pods and all. they are considered weee waste and that report highlights the possibility of them becoming more popular after a disposable ban.
That would be unfortunate if true.. and also highlights the risk of what other bans the disposable ban will extend to...
 
Looks like we're going round in circles again.. as it seems totally obvious that vapes have impacted smoking rates across the board.. but by how much though, is probably hard to work out/debatable...
If I didn't know any better, I'd actually be inclined to think you're a Bloomberg employee on this matter... ;)

That would be unfortunate if true.. and also highlights the risk of what other bans the disposable ban will extend to...

we are going round in circles on this aspect, aye. i don’t think it is true. especially if you consider that there are kids vaping who wouldn’t have smoked.

as far as the ban, if it does include pre-filled pods it will be because they are single use weee waste items. they are going to ban all of them at some point, not only vape related.
 
Looks like we're going round in circles again.. as it seems totally obvious that vapes have impacted smoking rates across the board.. but by how much though, is probably hard to work out/debatable.

I do have some stuff on this but not to hand... I will dig it out later though.

Smoking rates/cigarette sales have been dropping a lot in the last 20 years (I'll find the graph later)

I think it would have continued to fall regardless of whether vaping was around or not. There's a lot of reasons for that but obviously cost, it's image (which isn't great these days), people's general move towards a more healthy lifestyle (along with 'healthy choice' foods, plant based diets etc) the smoking ban in pubs and a number of other social things... and just the public knowledge on the harm smoking does. It's a combination of adult smokers dying, far less people taking up smoking and many mid to long term smokers quitting (with vaping and other NRTs)

The amount of never-smokers vaping was (until recently I presume) extremely low. Surveys suggested that around 30% of young people had tried a vape, but very few were vaping frequently. I forget the number but it may have been around 5% and 'frequently' was described as 'more than once a month' ... the number that were vaping daily was less than 1% I believe. I'll find the actual survey later but the actual % doesn't really matter.

I suspect that the number of young never-smokers who are vaping 'frequently' and 'daily' has grown significantly since disposables became 'popular' ... that's the correlation that government will be concerned about and anti-vape groups will be jumping on.

If these young people never smoked there was no nicotine dependency for them to need to start vaping, so luring them in with pocket money disposables will be seen by many as exploitative tactics to create a new generation of addicts they can continue to make money from in years to come. That's not me making a judgement on that, it's just how it will be seen. ... and that was never going to fly.

It's only the fact that vaping works to help people stop smoking and the support from cancer groups and such that means we can even vape in this country at all. If the surveys show that disposables are increasing the number of never-smoked vapers more than effecting the rates of 'switchers', then they won't support their use. I don't think it's any more complicated than that. I don't have that recent information, but I would guess that is the case and why this has all come up now.

add to that the problem with the plastics and batteries, the re-cycling issues, littering and the sheer amount of them and it probably seems like the only thing to do. ... or the simplest way to do it probably. ... I dunno, I understand why they are doing it and I wouldn't have a better answer myself, so I guess that's why I wouldn't mind if they did it.

It is a shame though, as obviously if someone goes to a 'stop smoking' clinic (if they can even find one these days, as the Gov has stopped funding most) then a few disposables is the perfect thing to give them to try, but they aren't a good long term solution anyway so I don't think they will be a great loss.

Sorry, I'm just banging on now.. and most of this has nothing to do with your quote! ....... hey, it's good to chat though! :D
 
I don't know if this could be at all relevant to disposable vapes but apparently from Sunday all single use plastics will be banned.

Considering I've never seen a disposable that doesn't have a plastic casing I wonder how long before someone realises they have effectively banned disposables by the back door.
 
I don't know if this could be at all relevant to disposable vapes but apparently from Sunday all single use plastics will be banned.

Considering I've never seen a disposable that doesn't have a plastic casing I wonder how long before someone realises they have effectively banned disposables by the back door.
Innokin developed a disposable made of compressed cardboard that you could remove the lipo battery and dispose of it correctly. Doesnt seem to be very popular tho.
 
I only caught the headline on the news so I'm not sure if there is more to this that might exclude disposable vapes but it'll certainly be interesting to keep an eye on it.
 
I don't know if this could be at all relevant to disposable vapes but apparently from Sunday all single use plastics will be banned.

Considering I've never seen a disposable that doesn't have a plastic casing I wonder how long before someone realises they have effectively banned disposables by the back door.

it has been the case in scotland for a while. but it doesn’t apply to electronic stuff. only simple bits of plastic like straws, cutlery etc.

it has worked quite well, you never see plastic straws any more, rarely an outlying chippie or kebab shop will still have plastic forks but it’s rare. so obvs also rarely see this stuff lying about the streets any more, next to take aways, beside bins etc. where reckless drunks used to throw them at their arse.
 
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