UK Gov To Ban Disposables?

[SirLugg]

My thoughts are pretty much limited to the words “cunts”, “wankers”, and “you fucking bellends”.

Mainly because these are not words I can ever use in my professional life. And I’ve discovered I’m too angry to sleep. Which makes me more angry.

Seriously tho, stacks of research supported disposable vapes - mainly from during the lockdowns when all those experiencing homelessness were housed and took part in smoking cessation trials. Those multiple studies combined with the ones looking at people in mental health settings showed high levels of acceptance, retention and ongoing use - where NOTHING had worked before.

None of the health bodies supported a ban apart from the Royal Soc of Paediatrics (linked to a Martin McKee cult in the corridors of Europe). Not one. ASH and CRUK spine strongly against it.

Kids buy illegal vapes illegally from illegal sources supplied by dodgy geezers who are…get this…breaking the fucking law. How is banning a legal product in any way impacting on how teens get disposables? Answer: it isn’t.

Will a ban clean up our countryside? Will it bollocks. While companies have finally realised they have to adopt collection protocols, the black market don’t do that shizzle. So, all your illegal vapes illegally bought from illegal sources supplied by dodgy geezers will continue to be dumped in the street, forced down puppies’ throats or used as duck suppositories and bin lorry bombs.

What happened in California when they banned disposables? More kids started smoking.

What happened in Australia? The black market boomed - and continues to grow.

What happened in Thailand? Vapes are everywhere like ladyboy dicks. But enough about my holiday last year.

Fuck me I’m angry.

Which is why Dave I wholeheartedly love, I mean that, reading your thoughts. Because I didn’t have that take on it at all because I’m not well informed enough to have it. And it makes perfect sense.

I think regardless of what happens with this or anything else there is always the human element to consider, and as humanity as a whole loses its way a little more week by week I think we’re all fucked.

 

[SirLugg]

I’ll also add, from someone that lives in the middle of nowhere, I do see disposable vapes discarded @Mawsley . Not lots, but enough, but then I live in a very sparsely populated area.

Litter wise McDonald’s, KFC and Coca Cola are the worst culprits and it’s everywhere. Again, humans. No respect, no understanding of right and wrong.

 

[Mawsley]

I’ll also add, from someone that lives in the middle of nowhere, I do see disposable vapes discarded @Mawsley . Not lots, but enough, but then I live in a very sparsely populated area.

Litter wise McDonald’s, KFC and Coca Cola are the worst culprits and it’s everywhere. Again, humans. No respect, no understanding of right and wrong.

I only got the government statement at midnight so I’ve just finished putting to bed the big one for the morning. I’ll link it at some point.

I agree, I see them and we live in the country too. It’s something I’ve touched on within the 4000 words I’ve just pulled out my arse. Anyway, fuck it, I need 90 minutes sleep before the puppy wakes up.

 

[Mitz]

Seems there's going to be a second public consultation regarding flavour restrictions. No doubt a large portion of respondents will be non vapers, but at least the support for flavour restrictions is weaker than the public's support for an outright ban on disposables.

As is always the case: when this eventually comes to pass, the devil will be in the details.

 

[Deleted member 54254]

The vaping industry has failed miserably (again) to self regulate so I'm distinctly unhappy with the turn of events that's likely to be forced on us all. Will wait to see what comes down the pipe today but I feel it's not something to look forward to.

 

[Mawsley]

Our article based on what we know at the moment

https://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/news/vaping-news/2024-01-29_sunak-pledges-to-destroy-vaping.html

 

[Deleted member 54254]

One person's shortcut was another's long road to panic. The community here spoke out against accepting disposable advertising but we were told without it the forum would collapse... What's the plan now? Ban more for speaking out?

 

[Mawsley]

Seems there's going to be a second public consultation regarding flavour restrictions. No doubt a large portion of respondents will be non vapers, but at least the support for flavour restrictions is weaker than the public's support for an outright ban on disposables.

As is always the case: when this eventually comes to pass, the devil will be in the details.

As of today, the plan (Leadsom and chums) is to limit flavours to the four profiles tobacco, mint, menthol, fruit.

Longerstanding residents of Dept’o’Health Towers know this is counter to the evidence and will simply serve to stall then raise smoking rates.

The whole “70%” support this nonsense is gaslighting, it’s nonsense. Every THR/Quit/psychology academic who submitted to the consultation warned against it. All bar one public health body cautioned against it.

There is a window of opportunity but it needs a fightback greater than the one we mounted against the TPD. Consumers need to get off their arses, businesses need to recognise the existential threat and mobilise their customer base, trade bodies and academics need to shout fucking loudly. MPs must be left in no doubt what restriction will do to smoking rates.

Everywhere a flavour ban has happened a)killed independent businesses b) increased tobacco sales in real terms c) killed people.

 

[Mawsley]

One person's shortcut was another's long road to panic. The community here spoke out against accepting disposable advertising but we were told without it the forum would collapse... What's the plan now?

With no flavour choice, with plain packaging, with a minimum 25% price rise there will be no vaping beyond generic products delivering a shit experience. There will be no vaping community. There will be no forum unless MPs are educated.

I anticipate a coordinated response to the threat. We will, of course, be covering and promoting it.

 

[Deleted member 54254]

Don't count on the great UK public self-immolating at the alter of vaping Dave. It'll get the usual coverage on the news cycle and be relegated to yesterdays news before you know it.