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Vape ban favour disposables?

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Hi never posted a thread before but i thought this was interesting about how the vape ban seems to actually favour disposables and will cause more harm to DIYers

 
We have to ask why these new laws and taxes are being put in place? Why does the government seem set against those who have turned to DIY vaping to help them quit a smoking addiction?

Because they wont get £2.20 per 10ml in tax from DIY eliquid, From what I've read in the government document the intention is to make home produced eliquid an illegal illegal activity, with support, apparently, from vape vendors/ businesses and the like...



2.27 Most businesses and organisations welcomed the inclusion of at home production, arguing that the duty could provide a clear, enforceable manufacturing standard that mitigates the risks of the illicit market.

2.28 There was a concern that consumers will undertake home production to avoid paying the duty and expose them to health, hygiene, and safety risks. A vaping organisation stated: "Not including ... (DIY) vaping products in the scope of the duty would create an incentive for their use, which would in turn increase the risks to health. The safety and hygiene of DIY products cannot be guaranteed."

2.33 All vaping products will be within the scope of the duty including those produced at home from base ingredients, such as propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, flavourings and nicotine.

2.36 Most respondents agreed that all processing activities for vaping products, including bottling and packaging, should only be allowed on premises registered and approved by HMRC to “ensure compliance and accountability” and to prevent “loopholes that may be exploited”. A small number of businesses and private individuals disagreed with this view.

2.42 Any person or business intending to manufacture vaping products in the UK will need to seek approval to register those premises
2.80 The government will ensure that necessary civil and criminal investigation powers are available to address non-compliance, for example, in cases of fraudulent evasion of the duty. HMRC will have the powers to seize vaping products on which the correct amount of duty has not been paid, or where there are other significant compliance failures.

Penalties and offences:


3.26 This would include offences relating to the possession, sale, improper importation or transportation of dutiable vaping products without a stamp, with fines of up to £20,000 in the most serious cases. The government intends to make any goods found without a stamp liable to be seized. In line with our approach for tobacco, HMRC will also have powers to remove legitimate products from a premises found to be in possession of unstamped products outside of duty suspense.

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3.2 As outlined in Chapter 2, the government now intends to implement a vaping duty stamp scheme

*Which will include our diy juice, where we make it (at home), blah blah. Imo no duty stamp means our DIY liquid would be illegal, whether we sell it, give it away or is purely for personal use? *
 
If my dystopian vison comes to fruition then the POTV Mixology sub forum will have to go, because any DIYing without the relevant documentation and licensing would become illegal, a criminal activity :hmm:
 
I can't see how companies like DarkStar (predominantly DIY/shortfills) will stay in business (or most other vape stores for that matter) after Oct 2026...
.. and we don't even know what the flavour restrictions there will be yet (which will presumably come into play a lot earlier than 2 years)...

And larger than 10ml bottles of zero nic will presumably be banned before then anyway (assuming zero nic will come under the same scope as with nicotine, as was disclosed in the previous version of the Tobacco & Vapes Bill).
 
so unfair like DIY is basically just flavours and vg/pg. and we already had to go down from 72mg to the 10mls
Fairness doesn't come into it, Streeting, amongst many others, wanted to annihilate vaping, most certainly including DIY, he will get his way and it will happen.

I'm severely pissed off at vape companies and vendors who by their responses to the consultation appear to have royally shafted diyers and businesses associated with the diy liquid scene.

I'm already (idiotically) smoking when I drink alcohol, it's not much of a stretch to see me back on the fags full time. In my town/ town centre there are loads of places, including vape shops, that will sell me cheap, under the counter fags and hand rolling. Some places you can buy 20 authentic Polish Marlboro for as little as £5. If you want counterfeit tobacco or weird Greek ( etc) fags you can buy them for as little as £3 for 20.
 
I can't see how companies like DarkStar (predominantly DIY/shortfills) will stay in business (or most other vape stores for that matter) after Oct 2026...
.. and we don't even know what the flavour restrictions there will be yet (which will presumably come into play a lot earlier than 2 years)...

And larger than 10ml bottles of zero nic will presumably be banned before then anyway (assuming zero nic will come under the same scope as with nicotine, as was disclosed in the previous version of the Tobacco & Vapes Bill).
do you feel worried about your shop? really sad times all around
 
I am fairly resigned to the fact that we probably won't be able to continue after Oct 2026 (or earlier)...
This does come across as a bit overtly doom & gloom, so maybe I should clarify a bit...

Our business model predominantly relies on repeat customers for liquid they know & like, mainly our own brands (although we are not the manufacturer).

So if the flavour restrictions are not too harsh, and most customers are prepared to pay significantly more (excise duty), then we could continue...

But there is no doubt that the vape industry has already been affected (ourselves included), mainly by the popularity of disposables (available on every street corner).
 
yeah lots of people saying they will just quit or go back to smoking but hopefully some people will keep going - the 10mls won't be too bad... probs will end up 10mls and proper diy with flavours and vg/pg
 
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