Vape Tax.. we all knew it was coming

[DMAN]

It is just a cash grab. It will do nothing to stop teenagers using vapes. When I smoked tax increases did nothing to make me want to stop.

It isn't meant to help you to stop. They are just trying to claw back the money they are losing from tobacco taxes.

 

[vapervince]

^^ and the horizon post office balls up.

 

[LemmysCodPiece]

It isn't meant to help you to stop. They are just trying to claw back the money they are losing from tobacco taxes.

So why don't they just say that? Why do they try and hide under the disguise of "protecting the kids"?

All of the fuss about kids on vapes is utter bollocks. When I was a lad I smoked 20 fags a day and no one cared. If the kids today were on 20 Bensons a day, nothing would be done. These days kids are on disposable vapes.

They would be better off taxing the importers and makers of disposables, on environmental grounds, much like the sugar tax did with fizzy drinks. With in 12 months of the sugar tax, virtually all of the fizzy drink industry has gone sugar free.

I am waiting to see how it pans out, but I expect it will apply to nicotine based liquids.

 

[JohnNada]

So why don't they just say that? Why do they try and hide under the disguise of "protecting the kids"?

Because it's better PR?

We all know politics is just lies and distraction but "we're saving the children" is an easier pill to swallow than "we genuinely don't give a shit about you or your scummy kids, we just want more money from you".

 

[Toby iVapour]

They would be better off taxing the importers and makers of disposables, on environmental grounds, much like the sugar tax did with fizzy drinks. With in 12 months of the sugar tax, virtually all of the fizzy drink industry has gone sugar free.

I hate sugar-free.. artificial sweeteners taste awful...

I am waiting to see how it pans out, but I expect it will apply to nicotine based liquids.

Seems likely, as that's the way other countries have gone...

 

[Toby iVapour]

We all know politics is just lies and distraction but "we're saving the children" is an easier pill to swallow than "we genuinely don't give a shit about you or your scummy kids, we just want more money from you".

I think it's more complicated than that; but certainly they (politicians & media) are creating a moral panic.. and then that more easily justifies punitive taxation (and maybe some prohibition)...

Any public health opportunity (in the form of vaping) for adult smokers seems like it's likely to be largely ignored.

 

[vapervince]

I think "they" are letting the rumour mills grind away with all types of shite then when they announce less draconian measures it will be more readily accepted.

 

[LemmysCodPiece]

I hate sugar-free.. artificial sweeteners taste awful...

Seems likely, as that's the way other countries have gone...

I used to hate sugar free, but now I have got used to them I would never go back.

I have got my nic strength down to 1.5mg, my next round of short fills will be mixed at 0.75mg and then after that Omg. I reckon I will end up mixing my own and vape at 0mg for the foreseeable future. I am pretty convinced I am no longer addicted to nicotine, my problem is "the Devil makes work for idle thumbs".

 

[Toby iVapour]

I have got my nic strength down to 1.5mg, my next round of shrt fills will be mixed at 0.75mg and then after that Omg. I reckon I will end up mixing my own and vape at 0mg for the foreseeable future. I am pretty convinced I am no longer addicted to nicotine, my problem is "the Devil makes work for idle thumbs".

If you can give up nic, well done!

For me it's the opposite.. I want to use the highest strength nic I can handle...
(I can't or don't go above about 24mg)

 

[LemmysCodPiece]

If you can give up nic, well done!

For me it's the opposite.. I want to use the highest strength nic I can handle...
(I can't or don't go above about 24mg)

Thanks, I decided that I was sick to death with being an addict and going cold turkey doesn't work for me, so I have weaned myself down from a starting point of 6mg.

I read an article a few years back, I can't for the life of me find it again, it suggested that Nicotine is only highly addictive when burnt. When vaped or absorbed through the skin, like with Snus, it is only mildly addictive like caffeine.

When I was on fags, if I went more than a couple of hours without one I could feel it creeping up on me. But now, if I am busy, actually doing a physical task, then I forget about it. I haven't had that "faggy" feeling for quite a while.

When this tax comes in, I want to be in a position to be able to avoid it. They can tax hardware, I have enough hardware here to last a decade and if it comes to it I can make my own coils, they can't tax coils of wire, stainless steel 316 round wire is used in industry. They can't tax cotton either, I don't use vape branded cotton as it is a rip off. For the price of 20 strips of Cotton Bacon or similar, I can get a huge bag of Labo Cotton Puff that will last for years. Labo Cotton Puff is just pads of unbleached organic Japanese cotton.

I don't see how they can tax products like plain glycerin, as they are used in many different industries from catering to medicine. The same is true of flavours, they can't tax what is essentially food flavourings. The only thing the can tax is nicotine and liquids that contain it.

So my aim is to be Nicotine free by the end of March, that will be 2 years since I quit smoking for good. My hope is that they will leave shortfills alone, so I can top them up with plain premixed and carry on with my day.