Vaping is under threat

[vaperoyale]

You have my support!

 

[MrTeaTime]

Can I ask @Diche, what is VIP'S actual objective now?

 

[Diche]

Can I ask @Diche, what is VIP'S actual objective now?

Same as it always has been. To ensure that the free speech of vapers is protected. The advertising ban in the TPD was always open to draconian interpretation and is increasingly being used that way across Europe. The UK interpretation seems to be less draconian so far, but the simple fact is that they can use it to silence reviewers, vendors, forums and even Facebook discussion groups, but they cannot use it to silence a political party. We have the rights of Free Association, Expression, Opinion and Assembly, and they cannot be curtailed by the TPD.

That is and always has been the reason for the party's existence. Anything else we can do to raise the profile of vaping and any other way we can use the vehicle we have to get the truth about vaping is a bonus and we are constantly seeking such avenues, but we exist because regardless of what rules they bring in, they can't shut us up.

 

[shauncpfc]

3 comments here

1. People need to be more considerate to all. Blowing large clouds in an enclose area will just get complaints and make it another reason for others to want this restricted.

2. Regulation will come and I think it's due to loss of revenue in taxes on smoking. They have to recoup the loss so this will end with higher taxes on cape gear.

3. Regulations on ejuice to some degree would be good for the consumer but for the good quality retailer not so with the time it will take. Hopefully they will agree on an approved list of ingredients then they won't have to get all their juices approved. It will also all us to mix our own juice.

 

[agwilliams]

3 comments here

1. People need to be more considerate to all. Blowing large clouds in an enclose area will just get complaints and make it another reason for others to want this restricted.

2. Regulation will come and I think it's due to loss of revenue in taxes on smoking. They have to recoup the loss so this will end with higher taxes on cape gear.

3. Regulations on ejuice to some degree would be good for the consumer but for the good quality retailer not so with the time it will take. Hopefully they will agree on an approved list of ingredients then they won't have to get all their juices approved. It will also all us to mix our own juice.

3 comments that i agree with. The only thing that i have slightly mixed feelings about is the standard ingredients list. As long as it doesn't affect diversity of flavours between manufacturers i'm happy for it to be standardised.
At the end of the day. None of us, for or against vaping, can truly say 100% if vaping itself is having a negative effect on our health. All i know is its gotta be better than cigs

 

[shauncpfc]

3 comments that i agree with. The only thing that i have slightly mixed feelings about is the standard ingredients list. As long as it doesn't affect diversity of flavours between manufacturers i'm happy for it to be standardised.
At the end of the day. None of us, for or against vaping, can truly say 100% if vaping itself is having a negative effect on our health. All i know is its gotta be better than cigs

The standard ejuice ingredients list was just a thought as I was typing. Just thinking of a way that vapes could continue to make their own and still comply. Perhaps these will not be effected as they can be used for other things, don't know.

 

[Diche]

3 comments here

1. People need to be more considerate to all. Blowing large clouds in an enclose area will just get complaints and make it another reason for others to want this restricted.

2. Regulation will come and I think it's due to loss of revenue in taxes on smoking. They have to recoup the loss so this will end with higher taxes on cape gear.

3. Regulations on ejuice to some degree would be good for the consumer but for the good quality retailer not so with the time it will take. Hopefully they will agree on an approved list of ingredients then they won't have to get all their juices approved. It will also all us to mix our own juice.

1. Yes I would probably agree with this, if you are eating garlic bread you don't huff it in someone else's face

2. If they are sin taxing vaping purely because of loss of revenue due to reduction in smoking and not due to scientific evidence of harm to users and bystanders then they need to be told to F off in no uncertain terms.

3. Agreed, regulations of some sort are necessary, but they had the option to do this, it is commonplace in similar legislation and they chose not to do so. (provided you can mix your own using a 10ml bottle of 20mg nic, all is fine and dandy, that's ok for the low mg users but higher mg users are screwed)

 

[kwame]

If you are reading this there is a good chance that you are new to the world of vaping, so firstly WELCOME to the community

Vaping has been around since 2006, and has increased greatly in popularity. Vaping is what is known as a 'disruptive technology' - it developed outside the normal channels by which consumer products are brought to the market. As a result of that it has been largely unregulated, but this is about to change.

In every country across the world governments are introducing regulations. In some countries these are extremely restrictive, to the point where the purchase of vaping products is banned. In others there has so far been a somewhat more enlightened approach.

Now don't get me wrong, regulations with regards to vaping are not all bad - in fact I would go as far as to say that some regulation is essential. The key is that the regulation needs to be proportionate, and a ban on vaping or purchasing vaping products most definitely is not that.

Now before you all run around screaming like chickens with their heads cut off, all is not lost. There are a large and varied range of campaigns, lobbying and legal actions taking place. These aim to shape regulation in a way that protects people from shoddy products and prevents the purchase of products by children, but still allows vaping to exist and grow and fulfil its potential AND YOU CAN HELP.

I have listed some of the most important actions and organisations (imo) that are fighting on behalf of vaping, along with links that allow you to sign up and show your support, add your name to a petition, or otherwise get involved. If you want to take it further and become an active vaping advocate there are lots of opportunities within the organisations listed.



Totally Wicked are a vape vendor that is mounting a legal challenge against impending regulations in Europe (The Tobacco Products Directive). You can sign to support their challenge - the more endorsements they get the better. Article 20 Tobacco Products Directive Legal Challenge - Totally Wicked Legal Challenge Article 20 TPD

The New Nicotine Alliance (NNA) is a registered charity whose board is made up of vapers, public health analysts and scientists. They are involved in lobbying the British government, advising professional bodies and briefing the media with regards to reduced risk nicotine delivery devices. You can sign up to be a supporter here Supporter sign-up form - New Nicotine Alliance UK

M.O.V.E is a body of scientists and medical professionals that are in support of vaping and electronic cigarettes. If your doctor or other health professional is in support of vaping please pass them the details of the organisation and ask them to sign up https://sciencecig.wordpress.com/move/

AIDUCE is the French Independent Association of Electronic Cigarette Users, their petition against the implementation of the Tobacco Products Directive has been gathering strength. Anyone can sign it, the rules which affect all of us could be defeated in any country, and all of us would reap the benefit. This page provides an English translation of the petition - clicking on the picture at the top takes you to the online form. Aiduce Anti TPD Petition | vapers.org.uk

CASAA is the Consumer Advocates for Smokefree Alternatives Association in America. It started out on a vaping forum in 2009 and now has over 40,000 members. You can sign up to be notified of any Calls to Action for the area in which you live, and you can also add your testimonial to their collection of success stories about vaping and smoke-free alternatives. http://casaa.org/E-cig_User_Testimonials.html

Vapers in Power is a political party, registered in the UK with the Electoral Commission. The party was set up by a group of ordinary vapers in response to a clause in the Tobacco Products Directive that could have a direct effect on the free speech of vapers. Each week they publish a Call to Action on the forums, Facebook and Twitter which has things you can do to help vaping. These include petitions, protests, letters and government consultations. http://vapersinpower.co.uk/call-to-action

OMG! I've only just started vaping and feel a lot less likely to go back to rolling tobbaco than I did with patches and medication etc. I want to help in whatever way I can!

louisvape93 now I am on my laptop rather than the phone here are the links

Welsh call for evidence Consultation | National Assembly for Wales

Walkthrough to help filling it out https://www.dropbox.com/s/hbmhgx0s5j3qdx0/Wales Walkthrough.pdf?dl=0

Welsh Liberal Democrat petition Stop Labour's e-cigs ban

Bear in mind that if the ban goes through it will be illegal in Wales to try an ecig in a vaping shop so all juice testing goes out the window, as well as any tutorials on how to use a vaping device.

OMG! I've only just started vaping and feel a lot less likely to go back to rolling tobacco than I did with patches and medication etc. I want to help in whatever way I can!

 

[the vape gatsby]

Hi all, new to POTV's but loving the forum. Some great discussions. Does anyone know what's happening to vape expos after may. Will they stop or will they go underground?? Just wondering how there gonna manage it if advertising gets banned.

 

[Yorkshirevapourman]

I knew there might be some regulations coming in but no idea it was in may!! You can only buy 10ml top ups but you will have to buy 20 stinking death sticks. I'm sure it's not just me that's wondering which huge tobacco companies have been bunging someone to get that pushed through blatter isn't an EU politician is he?

I'm kinda for regulating what goes into the juice that seems sensible but the rest is just a nonsense. Why on earth would anyone go from something that's reasonably cheap and tasty to something that costs a fortune, will almost certainly kill you (proven many times over) and stinks something chronic!

Sorry if this has been covered but is it right they're banning flavours??

Time to stock up on tanks, mods etc and learn how to mix my own juices. Can't wait to walk past a policemen with my 5ml tank!!!!!

Classic example of money and greed giving way to literally saving people lives here. Here's a simple suggestion for these div's conduct a study that proves it's not as harmful as cancer sticks (as we all know it is), ban the cancer sticks altogether, ban tobacco companies from making this stuff (seeing as how they've been knowingly peddling death to kids and adults for profit for god knows how long) and ensure that it is easy to obtain permission to produce this stuff.