What the hell is this POKEJUICE!

[andre forest]

Where did that comparison come from? If you're going to compare a terrorist incident to badly marketed e liquid you're a very sick puppy.

wtf, its like comparing apples to skyscrapers, how has the drawing of a fictional religious figure, got anything to do with liquid branding and copyright,

Three words fellas: Freedom of speech.
To reiterate what I said in my original post, if we want the freedom to vape, we shouldn't take away someone else's freedom to make vape products. You're so scared the TPD or FDA will take away your freedom that you're taking away your own before they can.
Now, the Charlie Hebdo incident was an extreme example, and one perhaps a little over exaggerated, but I used it to make a point, and it was a reference you both understood. Now, that cartoon was vile, pornographic, and very offensive to a hell of a lot of people - it was a cartoon of a character that pissed a lot of people off. In my opinion, it's a more severe example of exactly what we're discussing here. Pokemon are cartoons of fictional characters, that you are expecting will piss off the media and TPD, and say they'll use that as ammo against us. Again, I think it is a perfectly relevant (however disproportionate) example of this situation.

Calling me names such as a "very sick puppy" is unnecessary, let's not make this personal. Again, we're all adults. Let's behave like such.

Edit: Also, Muhammed isn't fictional - whether or not he was a prophet is your opinion, but there's too much factual evidence to deny that someone called Muhammed did live and lead the islamic people. Just because you don't believe he was a prophet doesn't make him fictional.

 

[WaitFor1t88]

Three words fellas: Freedom of speech.
To reiterate what I said in my original post, if we want the freedom to vape, we shouldn't take away someone else's freedom to make vape products. You're so scared the TPD or FDA will take away your freedom that you're taking away your own before they can.
Now, the Charlie Hebdo incident was an extreme example, and one perhaps a little over exaggerated, but I used it to make a point, and it was a reference you both understood. Now, that cartoon was vile, pornographic, and very offensive to a hell of a lot of people - it was a cartoon of a character that pissed a lot of people off. In my opinion, it's a more severe example of exactly what we're discussing here. Pokemon are cartoons of fictional characters, that you are expecting will piss off the media and TPD, and say they'll use that as ammo against us. Again, I think it is a perfectly relevant (however disproportionate) example of this situation.

Calling me names such as a "very sick puppy" is unnecessary, let's not make this personal. Again, we're all adults. Let's behave like such.

Edit: Also, Muhammed isn't fictional - whether or not he was a prophet is your opinion, but there's too much factual evidence to deny that someone called Muhammed did live and lead the islamic people. Just because you don't believe he was a prophet doesn't make him fictional.

The freedom of speech has zero to do with how a product is marketed and or branded, it's common sence.
If I marketed the so called "prophet Mohammed" as a creature I could trap in a ball, it would, maybe get the same response as the cartoon
In your opinion it's not a fictional character, in mine it's about as real as pokemon

 

[SirLugg]

Three words fellas: Freedom of speech.
To reiterate what I said in my original post, if we want the freedom to vape, we shouldn't take away someone else's freedom to make vape products. You're so scared the TPD or FDA will take away your freedom that you're taking away your own before they can.
Now, the Charlie Hebdo incident was an extreme example, and one perhaps a little over exaggerated, but I used it to make a point, and it was a reference you both understood. Now, that cartoon was vile, pornographic, and very offensive to a hell of a lot of people - it was a cartoon of a character that pissed a lot of people off. In my opinion, it's a more severe example of exactly what we're discussing here. Pokemon are cartoons of fictional characters, that you are expecting will piss off the media and TPD, and say they'll use that as ammo against us. Again, I think it is a perfectly relevant (however disproportionate) example of this situation.

Calling me names such as a "very sick puppy" is unnecessary, let's not make this personal. Again, we're all adults. Let's behave like such.

Edit: Also, Muhammed isn't fictional - whether or not he was a prophet is your opinion, but there's too much factual evidence to deny that someone called Muhammed did live and lead the islamic people. Just because you don't believe he was a prophet doesn't make him fictional.

Mr Forest- you carry on thinking whatever you like and being in that group of one that you seem to be enjoying.

Your general attitude and you finding it 'a perfectly relevant example' to be able to compare a major terrorist incident and brand marketing is totally naive and inconsiderate.
Therefore I'll exercise my freedom of speech in calling you a deluded moron for your poor choice of comparison, then justification, of said matter and wish you a nice week in that sad, lonely head of yours.

Don't fucking talk to me. You're a prick.

Freedom. Of. Speech.

 

[andre forest]

The freedom of speech has zero to do with how a product is marketed and or branded, it's common sence.
If I marketed the so called "prophet Mohammed" as a creature I could trap in a ball, it would, maybe get the same response as the cartoon
In your opinion it's not a fictional character, in mine it's about as real as pokemon

I'm sorry, do you not hear yourself? freedom of speech has nothing to do with marketing? "sence"? In your opinion a factual historical figure with plenty of supporting evidence is as real as pokemon?

I don't even....

 

[ZT]

I have to say guys, I can see your points but would like to respectfully disagree for the following reasons:
Many adults enjoy pokemon, look at how many 18+ year olds play pokemon go - are adults not allowed to enjoy the same things as children? Why shouldn't they be marketed to? I'm 25 and I love adventure time. Yes I got the lemon grab reference, @pfvapes
Just because something could be interpreted negatively doesn't mean it is negative.
Sure, kids might see this and want it, but then it's down to the parents to do some actual parenting and prevent the kids from vaping underage. Maybe those parents who vape and have kids that like pokemon would enjoy these liquids, as they get what could well be a nice eliquid flavour and their kid gets the box with the pokemon on. What's wrong with that?

Seriously guys can you not see the irony here?
If we as vapers want freedom, we shouldn't condemn those who actually use it, or shackle ourselves out of fear of being shackled. Saying "oh no the TPD will ban this" isn't an excuse to try to ban it ourselves before they do, that's just cutting off our nose to spite our face and isn't making the situation any better. If we do this, we're no better than the TPD in my opinion.

No one's forcing you to buy this liquid. Don't force others not to. If you want freedom, give it to others as well.

This post is not meant to be offensive to anyone, I mean it respectfully and I'm only sharing my opinion - you are all fully entitled to your own opinions. We're all adults here, we're all vapers, let's keep it friendly.

this utterly ignores the IP and branding theft.

not that I think thats the main point, I defo agree with everyone else.

 

[andre forest]

Mr Forest- you carry on thinking whatever you like and being in that group of one that you seem to be enjoying.

Your general attitude and you finding it 'a perfectly relevant example' to be able to compare a major terrorist incident and brand marketing is totally naive and inconsiderate.
Therefore I'll exercise my freedom of speech in calling you a deluded moron for your poor choice of comparison, then justification, of said matter and wish you a nice week in that sad, lonely head of yours.

Don't fucking talk to me. You're a prick.

Freedom. Of. Speech.

Geez dude take a chill pill. Sure you have the freedom of speech to say that but for your own mental health I'd suggest lightening up and not taking things so personally.
What exactly did I do to offend you so much to justify this? All I did was present a perfectly rational side to a debate, with logic and reason. For the third time, we're all adults here. Act like it.

 

[WaitFor1t88]

I'm sorry, do you not hear yourself? freedom of speech has nothing to do with marketing? "sence"? In your opinion a factual historical figure with plenty of supporting evidence is as real as pokemon?

I don't even....

Know wonder mommy and daddy won't let you vape in the house, you clearly miss important points, please explain how marketing your product with someone else's intellectual property have anything to do with free speech
Off to add Jesus to the pokedex

 

[ZT]

This is a proper Popcorn thread!

right .. just so as you all is aware the POTV Sweeney are watching ... lets try and keep it a clean fight laaaydeees and gentlemans

take your corners

 

[andre forest]

Know wonder mommy and daddy won't let you vape in the house, you clearly miss important points, please explain how marketing your product with someone else's intellectual property have anything to do with free speech
Off to add Jesus to the pokedex
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*No wonder

I already said the copyright infringement is wrong... All I'm saying is we shouldn't condemn them for marketing to a niche group that might be interpreted as marketing to children.
Also, stop making this personal. If you can't present a rational, logical retort without resorting to immature personal quips, then clearly you can't prove your own point. If you think you're right, then use reason to justify your views, not a personal attack on the person you're debating with. Come on, this isn't the U.S presidential election
For the fourth time now, can we please act like adults. There's no reason we can't have a simple discussion without being offensive and turning it into an argument.

 

[SirLugg]

Geez dude take a chill pill. Sure you have the freedom of speech to say that but for your own mental health I'd suggest lightening up and not taking things so personally.
What exactly did I do to offend you so much to justify this? All I did was present a perfectly rational side to a debate, with logic and reason. For the third time, we're all adults here. Act like it.

When you're not writing derogatory posts about your parents, have gotten out of your bedroom for more than a few hours and had first hand experience of incidents like this and their effects then feel free to make a judgment.

Until such point keep that juvenile, nicotine deprived mind of yours and it's thoughts to yourself without trying to impress them upon other people through invalid comparisons and shows of false intelligence.

You're a grade A idiot. I really can't believe what's coming out of your head. Are you ill?