What will Tier 5 look like?

[zouzounaki]

I think the ‘everyone else is stupid’ attitude is lame, and tbh, pretty arrogant. I don’t know anyone who’s wilfully just flouting the rules because they can. A colleague of mine has never met her 8 month old nephew, due to them living across the country. My best friend’s 89 year old mum is getting more and more depressed due to isolation, and my friend’s been too worried to visit her for more than a day trip (in summer) where they sat in the garden. Everyone I know is similar to me in that they’re finding it tough, but are sticking to the rules as best they can.

i agree with you leni, but also think, just based on things i’ve read her and other forums, and seen on the news, that there might be a lot of variation as far as how strictly people are following the rules and guidance from one place to another.

i dunno, it’s the only way i can think of explaining it, unless people are just getting so frustrated with it that they have an impulse to assume people aren’t following the rules rather than suspecting the rules themselves are shite and haven’t worked very well. they repeatedly tell us they follow the science and then ignore it when it suits them.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/publications/science-advice-crisis

 

[vapesmarter]

WHAT WILL TIER 5 LOOK LIKE?

no different than tier 4 tier 3 tier 1 tier 10, lockdown, full lockdown, partial lockdown,

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

I'm not saying covid is false and its year zero reset cobblers but I'm saying the people the normal man looks to for guidance those who "follow the science" aka sage or is that sage accounting program or cobra, not the car or snake or a film with sly in it but an emergency meeting "I know let's call it cobra that's sound really good" have not one clue what is going on.

case in point I used to know a nurse that worked in the military at night the shit always went really wrong strung out and tired she would get hold of the duty doctor he was on duty in his quarters if it was an emergency he would wander down 20 mins later and bark orders most of the time it was in a really bad way or too late, she learnt if she rang him and said "look this guy is really fucked up" meaning the patient the doctor would rush down in minutes....... perhaps boris should have a phone call using this method

 

[SirLugg]

I think the ‘everyone else is stupid’ attitude is lame, and tbh, pretty arrogant. I don’t know anyone who’s wilfully just flouting the rules because they can. A colleague of mine has never met her 8 month old nephew, due to them living across the country. My best friend’s 89 year old mum is getting more and more depressed due to isolation, and my friend’s been too worried to visit her for more than a day trip (in summer) where they sat in the garden. Everyone I know is similar to me in that they’re finding it tough, but are sticking to the rules as best they can.

I genuinely don’t think there’s any arrogance at all in labelling the actions of the people who wilfully flout the rules stupid Leni, because they are exactly that. Like it or lump it, these restrictions won’t get better until the aforementioned people stop what they’re doing - because they see it as an intrusion on their freedom, their ‘human rights’.

I’ve lost two family members and one friend since March 2020. I’ve attended none of the funerals. I’ve seen my ageing parents and even more aged grandparents twice in nine months because I want this to end and I want my freedom back.

Do I label the actions of the groups of families and friends piling into each other’s houses on a weekly basis stupid? Or the groups who are actively trying to encourage people to not comply, is that stupid?

Yes. It is, and I’ve no problem telling them so.

 

[Rickster]

Somehow all the good news just doesn't get enough reporting

 

[Rickster]

i’m wondering if the regional restrictions are less effective. what i mean is, if people are less likely to stick to them?

Spot on fella, this was my area today, about 3 miles from my house "up the Campsies"..... there is no way everyone is local to the region, so the travel thingy is defo being ignored by many..... On a normal Tuesday I might be the only one up n about there.

 

[Leni]

i agree with you leni, but also think, just based on things i’ve read her and other forums, and seen on the news, that there might be a lot of variation as far as how strictly people are following the rules and guidance from one place to another.

i dunno, it’s the only way i can think of explaining it, unless people are just getting so frustrated with it that they have an impulse to assume people aren’t following the rules rather than suspecting the rules themselves are shite and haven’t worked very well. they repeatedly tell us they follow the science and then ignore it when it suits them.

There probably are some regional variations, or maybe variations in different age demographics more likely imo. I think it would be easy to get a skewed perspective watching the news about it though, as they’re going to be actively looking for rule breakers. My 75 year old aunt, who’s only left her home to buy food and get her hearing aid fixed this year, wouldn’t be much of a news story The news outlets are well practiced at stoking outrage.

Of course there are people breaking the rules: I just think it’s a minority rather than the majority. I live on a main road in one of the biggest towns in NE Wales - there’ve been practically no cars on the road since Christmas Eve. And yes - I think you might be right about the impulse to blame other people, rather than the uselessness of the rules themselves. The gov have been on the back foot since the start of this.

I genuinely don’t think there’s any arrogance at all in labelling the actions of the people who wilfully flout the rules stupid Leni, because they are exactly that. Like it or lump it, these restrictions won’t get better until the aforementioned people stop what they’re doing - because they see it as an intrusion on their freedom, their ‘human rights’....

Do I label the actions of the groups of families and friends piling into each other’s houses on a weekly basis stupid? Or the groups who are actively trying to encourage people to not comply, is that stupid?

Yes. It is, and I’ve no problem telling them so.

I don’t have a problem with anyone knocking people who are wilfully breaking the rules - nowhere have I said that. I just don’t know any of these people, as far as I can see they’re a minority. When you post stuff like this -

But pretty much universally people are being stupid. Have I sneaked through one or two regions to visit my parents since March? Yeah, I have. But have i socialised freely and generally rubbed everyone’s faces in it like a generous proportion of society appear to have done? No, I haven’t. So I’m possibly being hypocritical to be honest....

- you’re saying ‘everyone’ is being stupid, that’s what the word ‘universally’ means? We’ll have to agree to disagree about this, but to me that comes across as a bit arrogant, especially as you then say how you broke rules yourself. Hypocritical.... mmm, yes, you said so yourself. A bit insulting to the millions of people who haven’t broken any rules, have had no life for 9 months, and who you’re labelling as being stupid.... definitely.

 

[zouzounaki]

Spot on fella, this was my area today, about 3 miles from my house "up the Campsies"..... there is no way everyone is local to the region, so the travel thingy is defo being ignored by many..... On a normal Tuesday I might be the only one up n about there.
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exactly, if there was a national lockdown i don’t think that would be happening. about here, at least. everybody knows the rules, go oot for a walk, go for your messages got to your work if you need to otherwise stay at yer bit. like i said above, even me and my parents had to check the rules on the gov website to see if they are okay to travel to glasgow to see the wee man. they’re not, so they’ve not been, other than to come up to drop off his xmas presents last week. it’s way too confusing. it needs announced on the headlines of the news every night. “if you live in glasgow, these are the restrictions. if you live in renfrewshire these are the restrictions” etc. even then it probably would be unworkable.

i would guess maybe a lot of they folk in your picture knew they shouldnae be there, and when they saw all the cars probably thought “oh, fuck”. but some probably had no idea they were in the wrong.

in fact the other day we thought, let’s get a car and take the wee man for a run, took a while for us to realise we cannae leave the city. scunnered.

 

[Mr Ripple]

Somehow all the good news just doesn't get enough reporting

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Not sure that should be classed as good news?
I thought they were saying in the beginning that 1.5% of positive cases are likely to die but by those figures its more like 3.64%.

 

[SirLugg]

There probably are some regional variations, or maybe variations in different age demographics more likely imo. I think it would be easy to get a skewed perspective watching the news about it though, as they’re going to be actively looking for rule breakers. My 75 year old aunt, who’s only left her home to buy food and get her hearing aid fixed this year, wouldn’t be much of a news story The news outlets are well practiced at stoking outrage.

Of course there are people breaking the rules: I just think it’s a minority rather than the majority. I live on a main road in one of the biggest towns in NE Wales - there’ve been practically no cars on the road since Christmas Eve. And yes - I think you might be right about the impulse to blame other people, rather than the uselessness of the rules themselves. The gov have been on the back foot since the start of this.



I don’t have a problem with anyone knocking people who are wilfully breaking the rules - nowhere have I said that. I just don’t know any of these people, as far as I can see they’re a minority. When you post stuff like this -



- you’re saying ‘everyone’ is being stupid, that’s what the word ‘universally’ means? We’ll have to agree to disagree about this, but to me that comes across as a bit arrogant, especially as you then say how you broke rules yourself. Hypocritical.... mmm, yes, you said so yourself. A bit insulting to the millions of people who haven’t broken any rules, have had no life for 9 months, and who you’re labelling as being stupid.... definitely.

Then we’ll agree to disagree on this one then Leni. If you’d cared to read the whole post that you quoted rather than nit pick, then the posts that followed.

As I said in my last reply I am indeed labelling a universal breaching of regulations that you, I or nobody else on a vaping forum are able to change stupid? Yes I am. Am I arrogant? Probably, but I don’t dispute that.

And as we’ve resorted to a little mud slinging here, so easy to do on the internet- right?, then NE Wales where no cars on the road so that denotes that the good people of North East Wales are all law abiding citizens? 154 cases in the Wrexham area over the last 24 hours as of today says not I’m afraid - are you looking out of your window enough?

My opinion is do what it takes to lock down and stop people acting in a what I deem to be a stupid manner, you’re hell bent on painting everyone as prophets, when that clearly isn’t the case.

And please, when I’ve already stated I’ve lost three people dear to me over the course of the pandemic do not insult me by saying you’ve not had a life for 9 months because frankly I do not care. That is verging on crossing a line which is all too easy to do on the internet.

Let’s agree to disagree.

 

[Rickster]

exactly, if there was a national lockdown i don’t think that would be happening. about here, at least. everybody knows the rules, go oot for a walk, go for your messages got to your work if you need to otherwise stay at yer bit. like i said above, even me and my parents had to check the rules on the gov website to see if they are okay to travel to glasgow to see the wee man. they’re not, so they’ve not been, other than to come up to drop off his xmas presents last week. it’s way too confusing. it needs announced on the headlines of the news every night. “if you live in glasgow, these are the restrictions. if you live in renfrewshire these are the restrictions” etc. even then it probably would be unworkable.

i would guess maybe a lot of they folk in your picture knew they shouldnae be there, and when they saw all the cars probably thought “oh, fuck”. but some probably had no idea they were in the wrong.

in fact the other day we thought, let’s get a car and take the wee man for a run, took a while for us to realise we cannae leave the city. scunnered.

Aye, the tiers don't work for various reasons.... folk scunnered n that, saying fk it.... the Government must know this, was the same in the summer beaches packed.
The science and experts are geeks with little to no common sense applied to how the tiers will work in the real world, they may look good on pie charts n graphs, but in the real world with real people they are useless.