What's going on with the ELiquid Market?

[Phil M]

There are some, I gave a perfect example .

But there are those of us that would actually like to charge a touch more that can't and the only reason is that the costs of operating a juice business are astronomical and therefore the numbers of bottles sold not only has to be high enough to cover it all but constant enough too.

And I have nothing but respect and gratitude for anyone who puts the hours in creating a good product, fair play to you, I have nothing but respect for people who do that, but it doesn’t change my opinion that many companies are just out to fleece people

 

[Chris K]

If you’re happy to pay for it then do so if you aren’t don’t, but my opinion remains the same, a lot of liquids are grossly overpriced, and to compare it with other things that are overpriced is ridiculous, it doesn’t prove anyone’s argument it just proves other things are overpriced aswell

You'd need to define overpriced.

Is a company producing ELiquid in a full clean lab, employing staff, paying business rates, rent, purchasing equipment, paying compliance fees, electricity, gas, packaging, raw materials, wastage, R&D and all the other associated costs overcharging us by asking £3.99 for a bottle?

Or is a company as @PlumeBlu said, who outsource to a white label maker, have production and distribution costs only then charge £2 a bottle?

 

[oldhippydude]

If you’re happy to pay for it then do so if you aren’t don’t, but my opinion remains the same, a lot of liquids are grossly overpriced, and to compare it with other things that are overpriced is ridiculous, it doesn’t prove anyone’s argument it just proves other things are overpriced aswell

So it is not really the price of juice you are complaining about ?
It is the whole capitalist system?
I can relate to that.

 

[Nick0steam]

I have read every post on this thread, a few of how dare you have an opinion responses, to some good constructive explanations and opinions, to just cunts jumping on the bandwagon of popular forum members. I am pretty pissed off with this forum right now, I sense bullying and one-upmanship. But I am a thick skinned cunt so keep calm and vape.

 

[Phil M]

You'd need to define overpriced.

Is a company producing ELiquid in a full clean lab, employing staff, paying business rates, rent, purchasing equipment, paying compliance fees, electricity, gas, packaging, raw materials, wastage, R&D and all the other associated costs overcharging us by asking £3.99 for a bottle?

Or is a company as @PlumeBlu said, who outsource to a white label maker, have production and distribution costs only then charge £2 a bottle?

I don’t need to define anything to be fair because I’m in bed and bed is not the place to be tip tapping

 

[oldhippydude]

I have read every post on this thread, a few of how dare you have an opinion responses, to some good constructive explanations and opinions, to just cunts jumping on the bandwagon of popular forum members. I am pretty pissed off with this forum right now, I sense bullying and one-upmanship. But I am a thick skinned cunt so keep calm and vape.

It is nothing personal.
It is how these threads go.
Next time it comes up, sit back and watch.
It will go pretty much the same way, with or without you.

 

[andipandi]

Not enough (decent) tobaccos on the high street, in fact there's an absolute dearth of them. All fruits, puddings, sweets, and manky menthols. I'd pay 6 or 7 quid for a really good baccy but not £5 for a boring sickly sweet strawberry custard that kills a coils in 5 minutes. Hence, I hardly ever buy eliquid, nearly all diy for me.

 

[eightbitraptor]

I have read every post on this thread, a few of how dare you have an opinion responses, to some good constructive explanations and opinions, to just cunts jumping on the bandwagon of popular forum members. I am pretty pissed off with this forum right now, I sense bullying and one-upmanship. But I am a thick skinned cunt so keep calm and vape.

My favourite part was the bit where me and @Phil M were basically making the same point [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

 

[Colonelboom]

It is nothing personal.
It is how these threads go.
Next time it comes up, sit back and watch.
It will go pretty much the same way, with or without you.

It's an emotive subject. There's never going to be a right or wrong on it either.

In an ideal world id be selling my juice for the bare minimum if what it costs to make, safe in the knowledge that my own costs are covered and kids fed should it go tits up.

Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way though and small businesses need to profit to survive.

Take for example the £3000 gas bill I just got. That's a lot of juice to be sold to cover that on top of the other £10k I need to spend this month.

Unless income is guaranteed there has to be a degree of profitability or bills like that just close people down.

 

[oldhippydude]

It's an emotive subject. There's never going to be a right or wrong on it either.

In an ideal world id be selling my juice for the bare minimum if what it costs to make, safe in the knowledge that my own costs are covered and kids fed should it go tits up.

Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way though and small businesses need to profit to survive.

Take for example the £3000 gas bill I just got. That's a lot of juice to be sold to cover that on top of the other £10k I need to spend this month.

Unless income is guaranteed there has to be a degree of profitability or bills like that just close people down.

You do not have to tell me, I have been self employed for almost 40 years, including manufacture and retail have rode the waves up and down, more than once so do not grudge you or any small manufacturer any living they can make. These days I just sell my labour a couple of days a week because I have not the mental energy to set up something more profitable, selling hard work for money is the easy option in my book.