A question about Nicotine strength and Wattage

[Deleted member 54254]

You have to consider nic strength is usually higher for MTL than DTL use. Coupled with self titration, ie you don't vape once you'd had enough or you get a nic rush.

 

[hack400]

E = mc2

 

[Vapificator]

You have to consider nic strength is usually higher for MTL than DTL use.

Yes I know, but that is exactly the point of it.
A given juice at certain strength,when consumed in a MTL device with given low wattage and high resistance,
roughly corresponds to a consumed nic strength per puff, on a DTL device on a given high watt, low resistance MTL in some way if the coils work similar for the same person.
I want to figure out what this relation looks like.

Coupled with self titration, ie you don't vape once you'd had enough or you get a nic rush.

Yes this will be a factor among others which I try to ignore for the purpose a rough estimate, even if different for each individual, it is similar for everyone or say an average person in general.
We all would agree a 6mg/ml on a MTL (say 1.5 ohm, 8 watts) with feels less strong (than a cig), while the same juice strength on the DTL (say 0.2 ohm, 70 watts) would be way stronger (than a cig).
There should be a smooth transition by working your way up from one to the other, so there has to be a rough (average) relation for everyone between watts and resistance versus consumed nic strength per puff.

Ergo, there has to be some kind of math to describe this relation, so it tells you for example, once found a good nic strength per puff for your MTL RTA's ideal wattage,
which allows you to get a good guess what nic strength you'd need in your DTL RTA's ideal wattage range to achieve the same kick in a roughly manner.

What I would need to know is:
How much does the consumed nic amount per puff increase, if you double either or half the wattage and what would be the effect of either doubling or halfing the resistance on that nic strength per and one could come up with a approximate formula already.

E = mc2

Yes kind of a slight analog to Einstein's Special Relativity. If you can't figure that one out exactly, you use Newton's law and you will be still roughly fine in most cases of general purpose.

It might have to do with the Ampare relation I = SQRT(P/R), but without more reliable data/experience it is just impossible to say.

It got pretty late, I'll probably come back another day to make my point a bit clearer, as of why I think there has to be such oversimplified calculation and how it could look more specifically,
and even if it will be inaccurate indeed, because of all the left out factors, it would be still useful as a good guess on what to try first in a similar setup but with different given resistance and wattage.

Good night chaps!

 

[Deleted member 54254]

You're asking for absolutes where none exist unfortunately. We're all different.

 

[Vapificator]

You're asking for absolutes where none exist unfortunately. We're all different.

Even if we were vastly different on that matter, it would be still useful to go yourself from one wattage/resistance to the another and know what change in strength this roughly means for yourself.
Many people try different things and might buy the wrong juice or simply want to understand better what wattage and resistance mean for their own sensation.

Why does it seem so strange to try to find some helpful rule or tool for doing so?

All I need to know about is relations and not absolute values and then you can take something you tried before as a rough basis to try something different rather than just guessing.

For example you could help me out, if you tell me if you can agree to this statement, if you ever had "say a Nautilus tank, 18mg Nic juice = 18mg delivered per ml of juice 1 to 1 ratio" to a normal cigs strength percived
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/does-higher-wattage-stronger-nicotine-delivery.720431/post-17088782

And if not, what you consider as a normal cigs strength (say Malboro red or any full strength normal cig) on setups you tried, together with wattage and resistance you did use to achieve that.
What was the first thing that satisfied you fully? Obviously only ex-smokers can tell.

It is important to note, it is not necessary to agree on the same values here, but if we find that relations between the numbers for each individual show a certain picture it could give us some insight on how it actually works,
then we could find a way to map this with math, and so everyone could put their own base case in to extrapolate how another case would be for him in terms of strength.
It would prolly require quite a lot data values to achieve good confidence on the relations and someone would need to make case study with many persons, which we don't have.

This made me realize, that it would be easier for tank manufactures to find out how much more vapor (in atom mass ~ nicotine amount) comes out of a chimney per puff, if you increase/decrease wattage or increase/decrease resistance (eg. by half and double).
This would allow to do what I was trying to figure out, but I guess for this as well, I wont find the required information anywhere.

However if I would get a hold on such lists as in the linked in the thread, it would be at least something to take some guess from.

I appreciate it is too hard to figure it out, but I'm still confident it was possible with having the right data, but one curious guy can only do so much about
and I have to appreciate, I won't have a way to find all data needed to do the approximations I wanted to figure out.

Just reading such a thread gave me hope someone investigated into this already, but apparently not.
Maybe in some years in the future it may be done by someone with resources or by a tank manufacturer eventually.

Super tired...

PS:
In case you'd like to tell me your values the same way as the guy in the linked thread, it would be still a useful for me out of interest.

 

[Deleted member 54254]

An average cigarette gives approximately 8mg of nic, an eliquid tells you, ie 18mg is 18mg per millilitre but this is all relative to how you smoke a cigarette, I doubt most are lashed to one like a laboratory beagle.

 

[30deadcats]

Why don't you just have a toot whenever you feel like it and not worry about how much you've consumed. Just enjoy it and be thankful you're vaping and not smoking.

 

[gary68]

Fuck me the Dave's are getting more umm "wordy"

 

[zouzounaki]

Why don't you just have a toot whenever you feel like it and not worry about how much you've consumed. Just enjoy it and be thankful you're vaping and not smoking.

i concur

 

[Netvaper]

Surely this has already been answered, the amount of nicotine you consume in say a day is determined by the nicotine strength of your juice and how many mls of juice you vape.