cbd and covid

[andipandi]

i'm new here... wtf is this thread lol

Everything being a shite state of affairs

 

[Tazz]

Hideous side effects to me at least, if it works for you, good. I say Hideous, you say say good, someone else says......

My misses tried tramadol and she said she felt suicidal using it.
She has a couple of bad chronic pain issues. Has endone and some other one that takes a little bit of the edge off of her 9 out of 10 constant pain.
Tried cbd and it gave her headaches.
Don't mention tramadol to her.

 

[hivehempworks24]

this is really interesting



but there is a problem..... licensing and the fact any food manufacturer as Dr John says can make cdb however no pharmaceutical company will do trials on this.......why?

no money in it for them

what a crazy crazy situation

I totally get your frustration, and it’s a valid point! The licensing and regulatory side of CBD is definitely a complex issue. Big pharmaceutical companies are less likely to invest in clinical trials for CBD because it’s a naturally occurring compound and can’t be patented in the same way synthetic drugs can. Without exclusivity, there’s less financial incentive for them to pour money into research.
What’s even crazier is that despite the growing body of anecdotal evidence and early studies showing the potential benefits of CBD, the medical community often hesitates to fully embrace it because of the lack of large-scale clinical trials. It’s a bit of a catch-22: no big trials without pharma, but no pharma without a profit motive.
Thankfully, more research is being done in the wellness and academic spaces, and hopefully, over time, we’ll see more robust studies that provide clearer guidelines on CBD's uses. The demand for natural alternatives like CBD is definitely pushing this conversation forward!

 

[vapesmarter]

I totally get your frustration, and it’s a valid point! The licensing and regulatory side of CBD is definitely a complex issue. Big pharmaceutical companies are less likely to invest in clinical trials for CBD because it’s a naturally occurring compound and can’t be patented in the same way synthetic drugs can. Without exclusivity, there’s less financial incentive for them to pour money into research.
What’s even crazier is that despite the growing body of anecdotal evidence and early studies showing the potential benefits of CBD, the medical community often hesitates to fully embrace it because of the lack of large-scale clinical trials. It’s a bit of a catch-22: no big trials without pharma, but no pharma without a profit motive.
Thankfully, more research is being done in the wellness and academic spaces, and hopefully, over time, we’ll see more robust studies that provide clearer guidelines on CBD's uses. The demand for natural alternatives like CBD is definitely pushing this conversation forward!

years ago and I mean years ago I remember a documentary about making thc/ cbd chocolates into a commercial product with the same strength as say alcohol (or a good bottle of wine to relax), not the super strength skunk or artificial spice but lab tested grown then made into a box of chocolates this was done and was shown to be a success until you added on what at the time would be the Tax for the equivalent in terms of tobacco or alcohol it made the end product a cost price of £26 to £30 to sell, this was 25 years ago before vaping so in terms of today that cost would be more like £60 anything that is deemed as enjoyable is taxed to death be it fast cars or slow ponies the state needs a slice

 

[stevoknevo]

I don't have these clinics or there data on there systems, about how many clients they have but i am sure we are talking millions of people who take medical cannabis for obvious reasons every day. There set up with a Subscription kind of service through a private cannabis clinic and they pay the subscription monthly. Now can you imagine millions of people buying this every month? Then you have Doctors prescribing it to patients as-well. So the Government are not getting a massive slice out of this nice big Cannabis Cake? Of course they are. I'm not surprised if most of the money comes from medical cannabis related activities through these private clinics and big pharma.

I've not read the entire thread yet, but I will - there's an estimated 50-55000 medical cannabis patients in the UK currently, being prescribed to by numerous private clinics, the initial prescribers being consultant doctors registered on the GMC 'specialist register' to be able to do so (majority of doctors also work in the NHS - subsequent prescriptions can be prescribed by anyone qualified to do so) and numerous pharmacies fulfill the prescriptions - all of this is regulated by the MHRA to the same extent that pharmaceutical medications are, and the CQC regulate the clinics.

Essentially that is to say that medical cannabis, although prescribed privately, is subject to the same rules and regulations as any other type of controlled drug prescribing (I'm a former addictions nurse, the rules around MC prescribing are virtually identical to the prescribing of methadone, as an example)

None of that exists for CBD, anyone or their dug can sell that provided it's below the proscribed THC limits because it's classed as a 'novel food product' with 'the potential to provide well-being benefits'.

And yes, there's definitely the UK government doing what the UK government does, see the previous Tory government with a ministers spouse and British Sugar, and the current Labour government with Dame Jacqui Smith whom is 'Minister of State (Minister for Skills) and Government spokesperson for Equalities' yet sits on the board of Dalgety Cannabis who are one of the largest exporters in the world of cannabis for pharmaceutical cannabis products (and are bringing their own UK grown flower to the UK medical cannabis market this week, I believe)

That's the same Jacqui Smith who, as home secretary under the previous Labour government, reclassified cannabis from Class C to Class B despite there being no evidence it was needed and would cause issues to various law and justice departments.

The whole subscription thing depends entirely on how you choose to set up your payment terms with the private clinics, it can be PAYG or subscription (and subscription generally costs more than PAYG, but not always) and some clinics offer one-off, up front payments that cover all clinical needs to those on benefits/former armed forces etc for as long as your with that clinic - it's the equivalent of the cost of one year of PAYG treatment at most clinics for those not eligible (prices have and are coming down as the market expands - my first initial appointment was £150 then £50 for every, mandatory, 12 week review appointment - because I'm eligible, my clinic was £200 up front and that covers me as long as I'm with them, I broke even on the cost of a years treatment at the previous clinic around ten months after I moved to them and I'm cost free now for clinical stuff)

Obviously the prices of medication varies depending on type, flower is from £5-13g (generally 10g pots/packets so £50-£130) then there's sublingual oils, pastilles, and vape cartridges.

I get 20g of Canadian produced flower per month in the 26-29% THC range (there's less than 0.1% CBD in it) and it costs me £170 delivered to my door by Postman Patricia (lovely lassie!) there are balanced THC/CBD strains available, certainly with oils, not as much with flower, there's strong evidence of the 'entourage effect' of THC/CBD taken together, but high THC works for my conditions.

The difficulty for many patients are the cost of the meds for those that need larger amounts than I do (I'm at the lower end of the scale for how much I need - my mate needs 50g per month and is £400+, others need twice that but have to buy the cheaper, less effective products purely due to the cost and their budget)

It's not a cheap endeavour but it's certainly better for your health than a massive opiate intake or SSRIs or benzos etc.
It'd be far preferable for all for the the NHS to be prescribing it, or even more preferable would be for it just to be decriminalised/regulated like Canada/Germany/US et al and reap the taxation benefit from what would be a massive production and hospitality industry that would spring up around it, never mind the implications from removing the profit generated by organised gangs and the positive impact for the policing/judicial system...bUt ThE sMeLL..!