Cheap 72mg nic post TPD

[JesusFoggingChrist]

im confused, your telling me...if the seller in the US gets 'caught' selling me, in the UK, 72mg nic, the seller in the US gets a naugty letter from trading standards because they...in a different country...on a different continent...are breaking OUR laws?

So...any non-tpd compliant tank i buy from china/fasttech is illegal too?
Well...illegal for them to sell it to me?
Hmmm...iv read the very vague TPD and i dont recall anything about importing from other countries...
Only the part about anything HIGHER than 72mg nic is a poisen and will be confiscated, but thats been written in law long before tpd...And thats it

 

[Mr Ripple]

Here you go, someone posted this up this morning elsewhere as they are awaiting something clearing from overseas. Yes it's FedEX but the same applies for all carriers when they get told by customs to do so:

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Taken from your email.

Restrict the maximum volume of e-liquid for sale in one refill container to 10ml (wether or not they contain nicotine)

Like this is happening or likely to happen.

 

[JesusFoggingChrist]

That link to me just looks like fedex been idiots and using the tpd (which doesnt affect importing goods) as a way to make money on their parcel storage.
Just because its fedex, doesnt mean theyre right, they have obviously misinterpreted the law as is it to do with the sale inside the UK, im not even sure about the EU, because as im aware, when it comes to the tpd, the UK has the harshest restrictions of all eu countries, on ecig related products....and we're the pissing ones that are pro-vaping! Retarded or what.

 

[Mr Numpty]

That link to me just looks like fedex been idiots and using the tpd (which doesnt affect importing goods) as a way to make money on their parcel storage.
Just because its fedex, doesnt mean theyre right, they have obviously misinterpreted the law as is it to do with the sale inside the UK, im not even sure about the EU, because as im aware, when it comes to the tpd, the UK has the harshest restrictions of all eu countries, on ecig related products....and we're the pissing ones that are pro-vaping! Retarded or what.

Pretty sure the UK has some of the least harsh restrictions.

 

[Badboybez]

Just because it's badly implemented doesn't mean it's not still law though bud.

If you were retailing liquid with it and it's to a business address (which in fact this case actually was) could actually pass OK as B2B sales aren't restricted by TPD laws. It's ONLY applicable to any sale to end user withing the EU.

Like I said before, you are getting away with it, that's cool but arguing the toss with someone who knows how the law applies, where it's being misunderstood and is ultimately only trying to offer advice for you down the line won't change the fact that nicotine products from outside the EU fall under TPD the moment they get to customs.

Well, you say you know the law.
Obviously you do not know me, I employed by a company from Germany, I am also a sole trader, have been for several years.
I have worked all over the world for the last 20 years as a global service engineer, so know a thing, or to myself about getting parts etc released from customs.
When I buy nicotine from the US I am purchasing on my sole trader business.

I was being polite through this conversation, so am quite offended that you class me as "arguing the toss with someone who knows how the law applies"

Also why the hell should I believe you know the law / regulations.
I had never heard of you, or your juice company until you joined in this thread.
To be honest if you do actually run an e liquid company you then have a vested interest in doing all you can to persuade diy mixers that they are breaking the law !

 

[speedfreek67]

I'll just leave this here:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/e-cigarettes-regulations-for-consumer-products

"Cross Border Sales

You need to register your business if you supply e-cigarette products via cross-border distance sales, for example online sales. This applies to:

businesses established in the UK selling e-cigarettes and / or refill containers to consumers in another EEA state (European Economic Area – the 28 EU Member States plus Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway)

businesses established in the EEA or third country selling to UK consumers. Business to business sales, that is sales not direct to consumers, do not need to be registered.

Registration is a legal requirement under the TPD. Without confirmation of registration businesses must not supply a relevant product to a consumer via a cross-border distance sale. The UK notification requirement applies to products supplied to UK consumers via a cross-border sale."

What this means, as far as I can make out, is that any business anywhere in the world that is selling e-cigarette products (which includes nicotine containing liquids) to consumers in the UK (but not B2B), needs to register and follow the UK rules.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

There are US companies in the list of registered companies.

 

[speedfreek67]

im confused, your telling me...if the seller in the US gets 'caught' selling me, in the UK, 72mg nic, the seller in the US gets a naugty letter from trading standards because they...in a different country...on a different continent...are breaking OUR laws?

If you follow the .gov.uk link I posted above (which is the one in the fedex email), it does seem that way.
Businesses selling e-cigarette equipment or refills have to register with the UK government, and adhere to the UK TPD laws.

So...any non-tpd compliant tank i buy from china/fasttech is illegal too?
Well...illegal for them to sell it to me?

That's how it reads.

Hmmm...iv read the very vague TPD and i dont recall anything about importing from other countries...

Look at the section on cross border online sales.

 

[zouzounaki]

im confused, your telling me...if the seller in the US gets 'caught' selling me, in the UK, 72mg nic, the seller in the US gets a naugty letter from trading standards because they...in a different country...on a different continent...are breaking OUR laws?

So...any non-tpd compliant tank i buy from china/fasttech is illegal too?
Well...illegal for them to sell it to me?
Hmmm...iv read the very vague TPD and i dont recall anything about importing from other countries...
Only the part about anything HIGHER than 72mg nic is a poisen and will be confiscated, but thats been written in law long before tpd...And thats it

That is correct, because that’s why non uk European vendors in countries that don’t have a 2ml tank restriction won’t ship them here.

How would you respond to the message @PlumeBlu posted, if you received it after ordering nic from overseas?

 

[Badboybez]

Taken from your email.

Restrict the maximum volume of e-liquid for sale in one refill container to 10ml (wether or not they contain nicotine)

Like this is happening or likely to happen.

Well the item above is nothing to do with TPD / TRPR, that's why juice sellers here can sell whatever size of bottle they want as long as its 0mg (no nicotine)

So that part of the FedEx communication is bullshit............................

 

[Leni]

Does anyone else feel another tiny part of their soul shrivel up and die every time another friggin nicotine thread pops up? Or is it just me?