Cheap 72mg nic post TPD

[zouzounaki]

Well the item above is nothing to do with TPD / TRPR, that's why juice sellers here can sell whatever size of bottle they want as long as its 0mg (no nicotine)

So that part of the FedEx communication is bullshit............................

Aye but that part of the communication is irrelevant to this conversation, no? Would you lie to them about what was in the package?

 

[Badboybez]

Aye but that part of the communication is irrelevant to this conversation, no? Would you lie to them about what was in the package?

Why irrelevant ?
Its in their communication, so either they know what they are up, or they don't, simples.
Would I lie to them, probably as it's Fedex, they are being paid a fee for delivery, they are not HMRC.

 

[Badboybez]

Does anyone else feel another tiny part of their soul shrivel up and die every time another friggin nicotine thread pops up? Or is it just me?

So do I mate, far to many lately.
I never start one, just try to help / guide anyone who does.
Like suggest they PM each other not directly discuss it.
In fact i'm getting sick of it, especially after the slagging I seem to be getting in this thread.

Personally it does not matter to me.
I have enough freebase nicotine to last me 4 years, and enough nicotine salts to last about a year, so 5 years in total.

 

[zouzounaki]

Why irrelevant ?
Its in their communication, so either they know what they are up, or they don't, simples.
Would I lie to them, probably as it's Fedex, they are being paid a fee for delivery, they are not HMRC.

It’s irrelevant because this is a thread about buying 72mg nicotine, not 0mg eliquid. It says that in the communication because they knew the package was from a vape supplies vendor.

Edit: and whether it’s wrong or not, if you tell them you have 100ml of 0mg eliquid, it looks like they are going to return it.

 

[Badboybez]

It’s irrelevant because this is a thread about buying 72mg nicotine, not 0mg eliquid. It says that in the communication because they knew the package was from a vape supplies vendor.

Edit: and whether it’s wrong or not, if you tell them you have 100ml of 0mg eliquid, it looks like they are going to return it.

Well it is relevant, the communication contained it, and there is no rule about selling liquid in larger than 10ml bottles if there is no nicotine in it. Unless Fedex are saying they will not transport e liquid in bottles larger than 10ml.................

Well as I said I would probably lie to Fedex, as they are not HMRC.
If they discovered what it is, what the hell are they going to do if there is no problem with HMRC, refuse to deliver it because it is in a big bottle.
Interesting conundrum if they did, as you originally paid the shipping charge, and so are their customer.......
I would just say fine, leave it with customs, and I will pick it up, oh and we had better discuss your refunding me my fees because you were paid to deliver it, and have not.

 

[Colonelboom]

Well, you say you know the law.
Obviously you do not know me, I employed by a company from Germany, I am also a sole trader, have been for several years.
I have worked all over the world for the last 20 years as a global service engineer, so know a thing, or to myself about getting parts etc released from customs.
When I buy nicotine from the US I am purchasing on my sole trader business.

I was being polite through this conversation, so am quite offended that you class me as "arguing the toss with someone who knows how the law applies"

Also why the hell should I believe you know the law / regulations.
I had never heard of you, or your juice company until you joined in this thread.
To be honest if you do actually run an e liquid company you then have a vested interest in doing all you can to persuade diy mixers that they are breaking the law !

Sorry if you are offended but the fact still remains that throughout this thread all you have done is show you don't understand how the TPD affects you. I was trying to be helpful as it happens but if putting your fingers in your ears and not being willing to listen to others is working for you then good for you.

You could have been a global service engineer for NASA for 40 years , it still doesn't mean that you are understanding where the law is applied in this particular scenario.

I don't think any amount of proof would do any good either, government documents or legislation text seems to just be a figment of people's imaginations.

And to put something else straight you appear to have got wrong, I don't just have a juice business (or not as you imply) but also a flavour concentrates business too so I have a vested interest in people being able to get nicotine and continue vaping.

I'd quite like people to be able to vape, mix or do whatever they like but I'd also like to see less of the misinformation around that seems quite prevalent and usually from the ' I'm OK, Jack' types that think they have gamed the system somehow.

I have picked up this information courtesy of having to learn it to continue to work. We are on the approved international shipping list, the European Journal for manufacturers, 50 products tested and registered under the TPD and TRPR. Clarifications on our own best practices and legal requirements from HMRC and Trading Standards, it's quite a list....

And I'm only trying to offer a little guidance. If you choose to ignore all of it as not applying to you then carry on chap, it makes no difference to me.

 

[Colonelboom]

Well it is relevant, the communication contained it, and there is no rule about selling liquid in larger than 10ml bottles if there is no nicotine in it. Unless Fedex are saying they will not transport e liquid in bottles larger than 10ml.................

Well as I said I would probably lie to Fedex, as they are not HMRC.
If they discovered what it is, what the hell are they going to do if there is no problem with HMRC, refuse to deliver it because it is in a big bottle.
Interesting conundrum if they did, as you originally paid the shipping charge, and so are their customer.......
I would just say fine, leave it with customs, and I will pick it up, oh and we had better discuss your refunding me my fees because you were paid to deliver it, and have not.

I said this to one of the IBVTA guys earlier, the 0mg eliquid rule isn't in the TPD so actually FedEx are wildly overreaching on that point claiming its law.

 

[Badboybez]

I said this to one of the IBVTA guys earlier, the 0mg eliquid rule isn't in the TPD so actually FedEx are wildly overreaching on that point claiming its law.

So I was right on that, Fedex are saying what they like rather than what is required.

 

[Colonelboom]

So I was right on that, Fedex are saying what they like rather than what is required.

Yes, absolutely right on that point. It's way beyond what the legal requirements are.

I know IBVTA are dealing with them at the minute to get their interpretation of the law straight as they also appear to be blocking vape businesses from getting goods and they are exempt from such scrutiny.

 

[Badboybez]

Sorry if you are offended but the fact still remains that throughout this thread all you have done is show you don't understand how the TPD affects you. I was trying to be helpful as it happens but if putting your fingers in your ears and not being willing to listen to others is working for you then good for you.
Well I was offended, and still are by the way you classed me as complete idiot.

You could have been a global service engineer for NASA for 40 years , it still doesn't mean that you are understanding where the law is applied in this particular scenario.
You could be the owner of the largest e cigarette in the world, but it does not mean that you would understand the rules on transporting toxic gases, and chemicals all over the world.

I don't think any amount of proof would do any good either, government documents or legislation text seems to just be a figment of people's imaginations.
That's beccause the TPD / TRPR documents (of which I have copies) leave very much to be desired.......

And to put something else straight you appear to have got wrong, I don't just have a juice business (or not as you imply) but also a flavour concentrates business too so I have a vested interest in people being able to get nicotine and continue vaping.
As I say, I never heard of your company before, so know nothing about it, other than it obviously is not one of the major players.

I'd quite like people to be able to vape, mix or do whatever they like but I'd also like to see less of the misinformation around that seems quite prevalent and usually from the ' I'm OK, Jack' types that think they have gamed the system somehow.

I have picked up this information courtesy of having to learn it to continue to work. We are on the approved international shipping list, the European Journal for manufacturers, 50 products tested and registered under the TPD and TRPR. Clarifications on our own best practices and legal requirements from HMRC and Trading Standards, it's quite a list....

And I'm only trying to offer a little guidance. If you choose to ignore all of it as not applying to you then carry on chap, it makes no difference to me.
I have not chosen to ignore it, I just think it does not apply in my case, I have a business, so can buy on a B2B basis, if I choose not to sell the resulting product as vape material to a consumer then I am breaking no rules there.

Sorry about it, but that's the honest truth.