Governments response to consultation paper on Tpd

[lorraineh46]

The governments response to consultation paper on the Tpd has been published please read and discuss.

 

[Mark]

I've moved this to the News section as the OP is still new and probably couldn't do so.

Here is the link

https://www.gov.uk/government/consu...-the-sale-and-manufacture-of-tobacco-products

 

[scrumpox]

Just started reading but only 709 responses to the consultation ... what the fuckity fuck!? Vapers have rolled over and played dead. That is incredibly sad and it's no surprise that we got what we deserved.

The faintly good news:-
Following consideration of the information and views received the Government can confirm that the draft regulations transposing the TPD2 will:
• Not ban cross border distance sales but introduce a registration scheme for such sales of tobacco products, e-cigarettes and refills;
• Adopt transition periods in TPD2, allowing the sell-through of old stock until 20 May 2017.

 

[Mark]

Zero Nic eliquid isn't covered by the TPD then...?

3.16.13
We do not intend to extend the definition to include any additional products that go
beyond the TPD2 requirements, such as liquids that do not contain nicotine, as this
would impose an additional burden on manufacturers and importers. Products that
are not within the TPD2 definition will continue to be regulated under the General
Product Safety Regulations.

 

[scrumpox]

Well, Everything Liquid seem delighted about it ... here's what they say ...

TPD News

Happy Friday everybody and what a Friday it has been!

The government has responded to the upcoming TPD and we couldn't be happier with the results. A few key points for everybody to take home with them today:

- The MHRA propose to charge £220 for a new notification, £110 for a modification and an annual service charge of £60. Our original estimate was around £5000!
- Companies will have until May 2017 to sell non compliant stock as per the option in the TPD.
- Non-nicotine e-cigarettes will not be covered despite a number of stakeholders suggesting that they should be.
- Cross border distance sales - the government will regulate, rather than ban, these kinds of sales. Businesses selling in the UK will need to demonstrate that they use electronic age verification.
- The warning will not be the longer text provided for in TPD, but the shorter form of words, "This product contains nicotine, which is a highly addictive substance".

You can read more for yourself here: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...nt_data/file/489981/TPD_Cons_Gov_Response.pdf
If you have any questions or we can be of assistance in any way regarding these matters, please do not hesitate to get in contact.
All the best,
The Everything Liquid Team

@Mark, I'm confused ... presumably you can buy an e-cig containing zero nic liquid, outside the regs, and then refill it with liquid that does?
Doesn't that mean open system e-cigs (RTAs, RDAs, SOTs) that contain no liquid at all are also outside the regs?

The TPD is therefore about gen 1 and some gen 2 gear only.

 

[Mark]

@scrumpox Join the confused club mate. the definition of an ecig remains thus :

“Electronic cigarette” means a product that —

a) CAN (my emphasis) be used for the consumption of nicotine containing vapour via a mouth piece, or any
component of that product, including a cartridge, a tank and the device without cartridge or
tank (regardless of whether it is disposable or refillable by means of a refill container and a
tank, or rechargeable with single use cartridges), but

b) is not a medicinal product or medical device;

 

[ned]

Just started reading but only 709 responses to the consultation ... what the fuckity fuck!? Vapers have rolled over and played dead. That is incredibly sad and it's no surprise that we got what we deserved.

according to them.

lies lies and more fucking lies

 

[scrumpox]

@scrumpox Join the confused club mate. the definition of an ecig remains thus :

“Electronic cigarette” means a product that —

a) CAN (my emphasis) be used for the consumption of nicotine containing vapour via a mouth piece, or any
component of that product, including a cartridge, a tank and the device without cartridge or
tank (regardless of whether it is disposable or refillable by means of a refill container and a
tank, or rechargeable with single use cartridges), but

b) is not a medicinal product or medical device;

Yes, we've come across the semantics of this word CAN before ...

Which will make this an issue of policing. If the govt decide not to police it, and Trading Standards have already indicated that they don't have the resources to do so, then in all likelihood we carry on as if nothing has happened ... a few resellers are going to get slapped wrists, but you and I can say fuck it.

 

[billy_idle]

@scrumpox Join the confused club mate. the definition of an ecig remains thus :

“Electronic cigarette” means a product that —

a) CAN (my emphasis) be used for the consumption of nicotine containing vapour via a mouth piece, or any
component of that product, including a cartridge, a tank and the device without cartridge or
tank (regardless of whether it is disposable or refillable by means of a refill container and a
tank, or rechargeable with single use cartridges), but

b) is not a medicinal product or medical device;

I think we should start using kettles to vape and make them ban kettles,

 

[scrumpox]

I think we should start using kettles to vape and make them ban kettles,

LOL! Your kettle has a mouthpiece? What are you ... Asbestos Man?