If you often get sore throat or lungs - READ THIS

[zouzounaki]

i don’t understand this. lots of things can cause a burning sensation in the lungs. if it’s almost always nic, how have some people solved it by process of elimination, without removing the nic? i think that would be your strong circumstantial evidence tbh.

and who is it that would be pushing this “myth”? big nic? high strength liquid retailers?

it doesn’t really make any sense.

 

[SirLugg]

What about it?

You did actually say in your first post that if people are getting a sore throat then they’re ingesting too much nicotine. You actually said that.

I don’t necessarily disagree with your point, in fact I don’t disagree at all because it’s entirely plausible. But, ignoring all the other variables that it could be also and singling out one cause for everyone is person specific - we are all built differently, so this may well be the cause for you or people you know, and could be the cause for people posting on here but you don’t know that, so can’t state it as fact. And in trying to state it as fact, which is what is getting some people’s backs up, (who are usually very placid people if I may say so), you’re starting to sound like a journalist writing a piece for the Sunday Mirror.

Again, I don’t disagree with you. But I dont agree with the way you are trying to put it across.

And that’s all I’ll say and I hope you have a nice day ma’am.

 

[hack400]

I'm still waiting for someone to produce some genuine evidence and prove me wrong.

The silence is deafening.

https://relxnow.co.uk/blogs/vape-knowledge/side-effects-vaping-without-nicotine

Irritation
A 2015 study showed that one puff from a shisha vape pen with no nicotine had enough propylene glycol and glycerol to cause irritation. When heated, these components may irritate the human alveolar macrophages, i.e. the airways and mouth. The vaporized form of these substances may produce carcinogenic or cancer-causing compounds.

The chemical risk assessment showed that after one puff of the shisha pen, the amount of PG and glycerol were high enough to irritate the airways.

 

[MarylinC37]

You did actually say in your first post that if people are getting a sore throat then they’re ingesting too much nicotine. You actually said that.

I don’t necessarily disagree with your point, in fact I don’t disagree at all because it’s entirely plausible. But, ignoring all the other variables that it could be also and singling out one cause for everyone is person specific - we are all built differently, so this may well be the cause for you or people you know, and could be the cause for people posting on here but you don’t know that, so can’t state it as fact. And in trying to state it as fact, which is what is getting some people’s backs up, (who are usually very placid people if I may say so), you’re starting to sound like a journalist writing a piece for the Sunday Mirror.

Again, I don’t disagree with you. But I dont agree with the way you are trying to put it across.

And that’s all I’ll say and I hope you have a nice day ma’am.

I certainly have lots of respect for such a politely stated argument.

I still stand by my point. Nicotine is by far the primary cause of soreness and inflamation in peoples lungs and throat.

My main issue is the way people constantly try to play that down and push other reasons like PG allergy as being more likely causes which I've seen happen on here time and again.

If people don't understand that then it's much more difficult for them to know how to avoid it and if we run away from it because it seems like an uncomfortable truth then we are not helping people as well as we should and I think that is irresponsible.

I've made it clear in this thread that I know other things can also cause problems but they are far fewer by comparisom.

 

[MarylinC37]

https://relxnow.co.uk/blogs/vape-knowledge/side-effects-vaping-without-nicotine

I've seen that study too. It doesn't change a thing.

Of course vaping nic free juice isn't free of risk and I already said that on this thread but the cases of lung and throat soreness are still far lower then when you add nicotine to the mix.

PROVE ME WRONG.

 

[zouzounaki]

My main issue is the way people constantly try to play that down and push other reasons like PG allergy as being more likely causes which I've seen happen on here time and again.

can you provide evidence of this? if it happens so often you should easily find it in the search function. i honestly can’t think of an instance where i’ve thought anybody was “playing down” the effects of nic.

why do you think salt nic became popular? because everyone knows the regular stuff has a burny throat hit. some of us quite like it (or have become accustomed to it) and others don’t (or haven’t).

 

[MarylinC37]

can you provide evidence of this? if it happens so often you should easily find it in the search function. i honestly can’t think of an instance where i’ve thought anybody was “playing down” the effects of nic.

why do you think salt nic became popular? because everyone knows the regular stuff has a burny throat hit. some of us quite like it (or have become accustomed to it) and others don’t (or haven’t).

I've already done more than my share of providing evidence. It's your turn.

Post us some links to some of the threads discussing this topic so we can all read it.

 

[hack400]

I've seen that study too. It doesn't change a thing.

Of course vaping nic free juice isn't free of risk and I already said that on this thread but the cases of lung and throat soreness are still far lower then when you add nicotine to the mix.

PROVE ME WRONG.

That's not what your original post posited. You claimed that PG intolerance was a myth, and that furthering it did not help anyone. It's not a myth, and taking it into account can and does help people (who are PG intolerant).

Sure, if you put too much nic in your vape juice than you're used to, or is within safe limits, then it will [potentially] start to irritate. I won't argue against that, but everyone is different and some can vape higher nic without any issues at all. It's also possible to work up a tolerance.

50mg juices are common is less restrictive countries. Some people like lots of nic.

 

[MarylinC37]

That's not what your original post posited. You claimed that PG intolerance was a myth, and that furthering it did not help anyone. It's not a myth,

https://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/forums/posts/2615407/

PG allergy is not a myth. The myth is how hugely it is over played.

This is what I've been consistently saying all through this thread and I'll say it again.

The myth is how heavily PG allergy is grossly over played to try to play down the role nicotine plays in this problem.

 

[zouzounaki]

I've already done more than my share of providing evidence. It's your turn.

Post us some links to some of the threads discussing this topic so we can all read it.

i’ve not seen you posting any evidence. but i had a look in the search function myself to see if i could find any, and this came up.

i’m not sure how that could have come about, taking into account your theory.