If you often get sore throat or lungs - READ THIS

[MarylinC37]

Could be I suppose any number of things....certain flavourings, coils (metal type) cotton, pg, vg, nic.... the full bhuna...folks just have to eliminate.

I agree with that but people can't afford to get stupidly defensive over nicotine and dismiss the possibility which, judging by the tone of this conversation of some posters on here, seems to be the mindset of quite a few people.

 

[Gitchy]

I once put 36mg nic salts in my sub ohm DTL tank instead of my MTL tank. Almost spewed my ring.

I've never been able to use 50/50 ratio juice, the PG is just too harsh for me. Even in MTL I tend to make 60/40 or 70/30. I just adjust the wicking to suit. Doesn't mean I have a PG allergy, just shit lungs. Everyone's different.

 

[oORobOo]

I can't be bothered to read this whole thread so I'm just replying to the original post.

Yes nicotine is a poison, yes in high amounts it could kill you.

PG being an irritant isn't a myth, there's studies going back decades showing that when inhaled it can be an irritant and cause inflamation of the lungs, studies I have seen showing that to be the case in 10% of people.

The effects on the body of anything can change massively when you go from touching or consuming them to inhaling them. Try touching and drinking water, then stick it in a tank at 60 watts and vape it, see what happens (don't actually do that lol).

A number of items in e-liquids/vapes can irritate the throat/lungs and cause inflamation. Usually when people come on here and ask about it they are given a pretty thorough list of all the things it can be and are advised to eliminate them one by one.

Saying everyone's problems are because of the nicotine is totally incorrect and is bad advice.

*As a side note if you're consuming too much nicotine the more likely first sign would probably be a headache rather than irritation.

 

[MarylinC37]

I once put 36mg nic salts in my sub ohm DTL tank instead of my MTL tank. Almost spewed my ring.

I've never been able to use 50/50 ratio juice, the PG is just too harsh for me. Even in MTL I tend to make 60/40 or 70/30. I just adjust the wicking to suit. Doesn't mean I have a PG allergy, just shit lungs. Everyone's different.

I did a similar thing when I bought my first sub ohm tank. I didn't know any better and just filled it with 12mg juice and it almost tore my throat out.

All I vape is my own recipes in a sub ohm RTA. I puff huge lung fulls and get a fantastic flavour which is sometimes so gorgeous and morish that I take too many big puffs and my lungs start to burn.

I've always made my juices 70% VG and always mixed it at 3mg. In order to deal with the burning lungs I reduced the nicotine down in my last batch to 2.5mg, still at 70% VG, and the burning has improved although it also meant I could take more frequent puffs so it hasn't completely stopped. I plan to bring the nic down another 1/2mg to 2 mg for my next batches so I'll be able to tell people what difference it makes.

 

[vapervince]

Lungs have evolved to breathe air in the ratio as is found in earths` atmosphere, any deviation can cause an irritation, but to some extent the lungs can be normalised to pollutants, as when you first started smoking. In the case of vaping studies are being carried out to assess if there will be any permanent damage, but it`s too early to call one way or the other. The only empirical evidence is from those vapers who have had an irritation, changed something and found that the change made things better, in terms of this discussion. Broadstroke statements are not helpful or accurate here.

 

[MarylinC37]

Lungs have evolved to breathe air in the ratio as is found in earths` atmosphere, any deviation can cause an irritation, but to some extent the lungs can be normalised to pollutants, as when you first started smoking. In the case of vaping studies are being carried out to assess if there will be any permanent damage, but it`s too early to call one way or the other. The only empirical evidence is from those vapers who have had an irritation, changed something and found that the change made things better, in terms of this discussion. Broadstroke statements are not helpful or accurate here.

I'm an athiest and have always been a big fan of science so any new studies that have been properly scrutinised and varified all adds to our bank of new data and knowledge which I would always welcome.

I don't want nicotine to be shown as the main culprit for peoples health issues because I don't want anyone to tell me it's now banned and I can't vape any more.

However, it is still a fact that when we think about all the bases, flavours, coils, cotton and other things that go into our vapes nicotine is the only thing we know for a fact is a known lethal poison.

That's why I get so fed up seeing people trying to play it down and continually grasping at straws looking for anything else to blame.

To me that is so irresponsible and dangerous and doesn't help anyone.

I think it would also be interesting to know how many people who vape zero nic have reported any issues with burning lungs or throat and what PG/VG ratio their juice was.

 

[Crispycritters]

What we have got is scientific evidence that identifies nicotine as a deadly poison and that PG is safe to put in foods and lots of other products.

since when did you vape food. The fact something is food grade doesn't mean you can always vape it with impunity. Ever heard of the problems with those people that vaped carts with Vitamin C acetate? Many oils are edible - you wouldn't do your lungs any good trying to vape them.

I really shouldn't bother to answer you. However some newbs may read and believe your posts, trying to get a Troll badge may be fun for you, but the blatant misinformation you are spouting claiming PG allergies aren't real is potentially dangerous.

Yes nicotine is potentially dangerous, and very dangerous in high concentrations, but it doesn't mean everything else can't have any side effects. If everyone's metabolism was exactly the same then everyone would have the same allergies but we don't, and just because PG doesn't adversely affect everyone it doesn't make it a myth.

 

[MarylinC37]

since when did you vape food. The fact something is food grade doesn't mean you can always vape it with impunity. Ever heard of the problems with those people that vaped carts with Vitamin C acetate? Many oils are edible - you wouldn't do your lungs any good trying to vape them.

I really shouldn't bother to answer you. However some newbs may read and believe your posts, trying to get a Troll badge may be fun for you, but the blatant misinformation you are spouting claiming PG allergies aren't real is potentially dangerous.

Yes nicotine is potentially dangerous, and very dangerous in high concentrations, but it doesn't mean everything else can't have any side effects. If everyone's metabolism was exactly the same then everyone would have the same allergies but we don't, and just because PG doesn't adversely affect everyone it doesn't make it a myth.

If you don't agree with me that's fine. There's one really easy way to settle this.

The posts on here get kept for years so you post me a link to a post anywhere on this forum where someone who vapes nicotine free juice has reported a problem with burning throat or lungs and then everyone can read it and we'll have our answer.

 

[Crispycritters]

If you don't agree with me that's fine. There's one really easy way to settle this.

The posts on here get kept for years so you post me a link to a post anywhere on this forum where someone who vapes nicotine free juice has reported a problem with burning throat or lungs and then everyone can read it and we'll have our answer.

And here's one for you - type into any search engine 'propylene glycol allergy' and be amazed by the vast number of hits you get. Not only related to vaping - just getting some on your skin can cause blistering if you have a severe allergy.

Just because you don't suffer from something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[vapervince]

I think it would also be interesting to know how many people who vape zero nic have reported any issues with burning lungs or throat and what PG/VG ratio their juice was.

The fact that this is unknown (or at least made public) is the reason that it is not safe to make sweeping statements, as stated in an earlier post, this thread might be mistaken for sound advice by would be future vapers, most people will know that all metals in the wrong proportions are lethally poisonous, you should verify any statements that you wish to be taken as fact, for one it makes you look less of an ***** and secondly it wont be misleading to others.