MHRA regulation of electronic cigarettes announced

[BfcDanny]

I may have to move country......why? you may ask well..............i don't want to kill myself with the inevitable descent towards tobacco.

 

[steffijade]

I may have to move country......why? you may ask well..............i don't want to kill myself with the inevitable descent towards tobacco.

You don't have to emigrate luv... just find yourself a decent nic base supplier and stock up.... cultivating a cordial relationship with said supplier might be an advantage if you wanted to carry on buying nic 'under the radar' if these proposals actually come about.

 

[Dopey]

Still could be worse, at least there not outright banning them like Brazil and Norway (yet)

 

[Rexer]

Here's a thought, how about we all start to lower our nic levels gradually, by 2016 we will all be nicotine free..... Just a thought

 

[Numpty]

The current vendors I know are responsible .......

I'm curious how you would know that, I think it's a case of you believe that.

Just because someone puts on a cheap printed label or website 'does not contain Diacetyl, does not mean anybody knows that for sure unless specifically tested by the batch.

The vendors themselves can't be sure what is contained in the ingredients they purchase from and much of the situation is governed by good faith or belief system.

E-juice sales are growing at an incredible rate and is starting to become fiercely competitive and so margins will decrease and customers more valuable, I'm pretty sure some vendors will get to a point where the premium ingredients will eat into the profits too much or take too long to arrive to meet the outstanding orders.

The fear is that it will only take a few unscrupulous juice vendors to use incorrect ingredients such as an oil based flavouring or ones containing Diacetyl to start a rise in negative health issues and give rise the fear mongering either by the corporate suppliers that can test and certify their juice or the prat faced MEP's that want the tightest possible controls on all we touch.

The government has a point about regulating the juices but medicinal is way too far I think they should impose food level controls that require batch sampling and verification at a level that does not make the juice prohibitive expensive, they have some case to make about the handling and distribution of base containing high Nicotine levels also, it is a poison and it would take only a momentary lapse by someone to poison themselves or one of their children, I don't claim to have the answers and I'm sure not on the side of the current big brother tax and control everything mentality but some of the issues are valid and can be handled without a heavy hand and imposing ridiculous levels of control suitable for the nuclear industry or certification that requires a Phd in chemistry.

Getting back to the first point here, What do we actually know about the fluid we are vaporising into our lungs opposed to what we think we know because we read a label or someone no more qualified said on a forum..

And just to beat the smart ass to it ..... ~Yes it is still very much safer than smoking and why I'm still continuing to vape dispute my reservations, I just think it would take very little effort or cost to make it just right...

 

[steffijade]

I'm curious how you would know that, I think it's a case of you believe that.

Just because someone puts on a cheap printed label or website 'does not contain Diacetyl, does not mean anybody knows that for sure unless specifically tested by the batch.

The vendors themselves can't be sure what is contained in the ingredients they purchase from and much of the situation is governed by good faith or belief system.

E-juice sales are growing at an incredible rate and is starting to become fiercely competitive and so margins will decrease and customers more valuable, I'm pretty sure some vendors will get to a point where the premium ingredients will eat into the profits too much or take too long to arrive to meet the outstanding orders.

The fear is that it will only take a few unscrupulous juice vendors to use incorrect ingredients such as an oil based flavouring or ones containing Diacetyl to start a rise in negative health issues and give rise the fear mongering either by the corporate suppliers that can test and certify their juice or the prat faced MEP's that want the tightest possible controls on all we touch.

The government has a point about regulating the juices but medicinal is way too far I think they should impose food level controls that require batch sampling and verification at a level that does not make the juice prohibitive expensive, they have some case to make about the handling and distribution of base containing high Nicotine levels also, it is a poison and it would take only a momentary lapse by someone to poison themselves or one of their children, I don't claim to have the answers and I'm sure not on the side of the current big brother tax and control everything mentality but some of the issues are valid and can be handled without a heavy hand and imposing ridiculous levels of control suitable for the nuclear industry or certification that requires a Phd in chemistry.

Getting back to the first point here, What do we actually know about the fluid we are vaporising into our lungs opposed to what we think we know because we read a label or someone no more qualified said on a forum..

And just to beat the smart ass to it ..... ~Yes it is still very much safer than smoking and why I'm still continuing to vape dispute my reservations, I just think it would take very little effort or cost to make it just right...

Personally, I think it's already 'just right'. The only thing that's needed is for all suppliers to comply with existing regulations.. which on the whole, they already do.

No need for heavy handed regulation... it's all about control and money... blah blah blah... god I really ought to just make up a standard text that I can just copy and paste... been repeating the same old lines for the past few years.

 

[whiskey]

Does this mean I will have to start smoking cancer sticks again to get a medical reason to have a pescription for NRP. And will they let me choose flavours?

 

[Szaxe]

Here's a thought, how about we all start to lower our nic levels gradually, by 2016 we will all be nicotine free..... Just a thought

Personally I would be relieved to be one of those in a lifeboat when the Titanic sank, but I wouldn't be smug or happy

 

[steffijade]

Here's a thought, how about we all start to lower our nic levels gradually, by 2016 we will all be nicotine free..... Just a thought

Already tried that a few times and it didn't work for me.

I'm at a level that works for me now and I wouldn't want to go much lower.

 

[Numpty]

Personally, I think it's already 'just right'. The only thing that's needed is for all suppliers to comply with existing regulations..

Compliance as it is won't work given the situation, as it stands it's voluntary or open to interpretation by people who have learned their mixing skills and knowledge off the Internet or by ear.
There needs to be a simple cost effective regulation where compliance is mandatory as in the food industry, it requires little cost and basic proof of understanding of hygiene and safety standards much as if you wanted to open a coffee shop whereby you receive the occasional visit from the local health and safety or hygiene department.
It also gives a point of contact for complaints and improper conduct by a vendor.

I think it is incredibly naive of you to think everyone will comply and adhere to any standards without clear guidelines and knowing some prat of an official will come check one day, like it or not peoples health is at stake here and it just might be you that gets a bad juice from the rouge fast buck pop up vender that is bound to appear now it is big news...

Your points so far seem to be more anti establishment than common sense and given your signature you value outright freedom for all above a few guides to check we are getting and injesting what we believe we are getting and injesting as we are not all chemists with home labs that can check to see what toxins or contaminants may be present in our juice...
I'm only suggesting basic food production regulation no more than is imposed on your tofu...