MHRA regulation of electronic cigarettes announced

[Dopey]

Ok here's what we do:
• we buy a small island and become out own country
• we make our own rules about e cigs and vaping
• make sure grant brings his GVC recipe
• we all vape happily ever!

 

[VaperCaper]

Personally, I think it's already 'just right'. The only thing that's needed is for all suppliers to comply with existing regulations.. which on the whole, they already do.

I think there needs to be new regulation that packages up the existing regulations - adds on age restriction and mandatory regular testing for nicotine content/contaminants. And that's all it needs.

That's probably what will happen in the long run. there is no way in hell the MHRA proposals are going to get through as they are now - in 2 years time there will be several million vapers and another 2 years with people not dropping dead from the long term health effects of vaping and there'll be a pile more decent scientific research on vaping.

I agree 100% with the ECITA tweet from earlier.

Reclassification of ecigs as medicines is illegal, disproportionate, unethical and NOT HAPPENING! #EUecigBan #SWOF

 

[Numpty]

I think there needs to be new regulation that packages up the existing regulations - adds on age restriction and mandatory regular testing for nicotine content/contaminants. And that's all it needs.

Spot on, 'May constain nuts' and someone that takes a look to check, keep it out of the hands of the under 18's and make a law that clearly states doing so is punishable.
Standardise labelling on PG/VG content and ratios, likewise with certain additives and sweeteners. As required for food.
Job done.

 

[steffijade]

Compliance as it is won't work given the situation, as it stands it's voluntary or open to interpretation by people who have learned their mixing skills and knowledge off the Internet or by ear.
There needs to be a simple cost effective regulation where compliance is mandatory as in the food industry, it requires little cost and basic proof of understanding of hygiene and safety standards much as if you wanted to open a coffee shop whereby you receive the occasional visit from the local health and safety or hygiene department.
It also gives a point of contact for complaints and improper conduct by a vendor.

I think it is incredibly naive of you to think everyone will comply and adhere to any standards without clear guidelines and knowing some prat of an official will come check one day, like it or not peoples health is at stake here and it just might be you that gets a bad juice from the rouge fast buck pop up vender that is bound to appear now it is big news...

Your points so far seem to be more anti establishment than common sense and given your signature you value outright freedom for all above a few guides to check we are getting and injesting what we believe we are getting and injesting as we are not all chemists with home labs that can check to see what toxins or contaminants may be present in our juice...
I'm only suggesting basic food production regulation no more than is imposed on your tofu...

I may well be naive but I think I'm probably more cynical than naive.

I used to be quite paranoid about what I was inhaling when I first started vaping... seems to be a bit of a pattern... make the change to vaping and became concerned with ingredients and such.

That largely disappeared when I started mixing my own liquids.. I get my ingredients from reliable sources and I control what goes into my liquids so it's not a worry for me.

The clear guidelines are already in place... if someone chooses not to comply then that's their moral/ethical choice.

I think it's incredibly naive of you to think just because that heavy hand regulations were introduced that those self same people with dodgy ethics/morals would suddenly comply. The existing regulations are adequate and whenever you buy anything that you haven't made yourself you're taking a chance. If you're not confident in the safety of a product then don't buy it.

Although I have yet to hear of anyone getting seriously harmed through correct use of vaping equipment, I suppose there's always the odd chance but you pays your money and you takes your choice.

Switching to vaping won't make anyone immortal and it's silly to presume that ANYTHING you ingest is 100% safe.... even my tofu

If there is any issue, it's with the enforcement of the current regulations.. not with the actual regulations themselves. The only thing that needs adding imho is a ban on sales to under 18's... which reliable vendors already do.

The general thrust of these proposed regulations is to squeeze out smaller interests and leave the market open for exploitation by interests with the cash to actually pay for medical licensing... or am I being naive?

 

[Dreadz]

Peter Hayek of the tobacco dependence study unit at the royal hospital of london just hit the nail on the head whilst being interviewed on news 24.
To summarise, he said
E cigs are the best chance we have of ending dependency on tobacco. All we have to do is sit back and let them destroy the tobacco industry with little expenditure for the government. Medicine licensing will probably cripple the safe option and leave the market open for the option that kills.
The guy from the royal pharmaceutical society simply clung to the line of non smokers may start smoking.
What a joke!!

 

[Raguri]

Just saw this on Watchdog, thought i'd come on here to see what's happening exactly and to be honest, I'm shocked!
Think I may be buying a shed load of Nic. Base, and all the PVs I want before this happens!

 

[AndyC1971]

Numpty, step back and look what you have just written. Sorry, but the responsibility also has to lie with the buyer as well as the vendor. If 'dodgy dave' is selling juice at £1 per bottle, what are you going to expect?? You always buy juice off of the tried & tested vendors. In all forms of any industry, you will get your chancers. Now the likes of ECITA and ECCA can give you the tools to ensure where possible the vendors are safe and accredited, but its the choice of the customer as to wether he buys it or not.

I put my trust in several juice vendors, and I certainly class them way above learning their mixing skills and knowledge off the internet or by ear, I find this quite derogatory and rather insulting if I am honest.

 

[ZT]

I may well be naive but I think I'm probably more cynical than naive.

I used to be quite paranoid about what I was inhaling when I first started vaping... seems to be a bit of a pattern... make the change to vaping and became concerned with ingredients and such.

That largely disappeared when I started mixing my own liquids.. I get my ingredients from reliable sources and I control what goes into my liquids so it's not a worry for me.

The clear guidelines are already in place... if someone chooses not to comply then that's their moral/ethical choice.

I think it's incredibly naive of you to think just because that heavy hand regulations were introduced that those self same people with dodgy ethics/morals would suddenly comply. The existing regulations are adequate and whenever you buy anything that you haven't made yourself you're taking a chance. If you're not confident in the safety of a product then don't buy it.

Although I have yet to hear of anyone getting seriously harmed through correct use of vaping equipment, I suppose there's always the odd chance but you pays your money and you takes your choice.

Switching to vaping won't make anyone immortal and it's silly to presume that ANYTHING you ingest is 100% safe.... even my tofu

If there is any issue, it's with the enforcement of the current regulations.. not with the actual regulations themselves. The only thing that needs adding imho is a ban on sales to under 18's... which reliable vendors already do.

The general thrust of these proposed regulations is to squeeze out smaller interests and leave the market open for exploitation by interests with the cash to actually pay for medical licensing... or am I being naive?

Tofu! Ive always been under the impression you prefer a bit of Meat Steffi

 

[Dreadz]

Maybe we should start lobbying the government to reclassify analogues as medicines then. After all, if ALL nicotine containing products are to be governed by medicinal licensing legislation then that surely has to include tobacco? Right?
Right??????????
You know, if they're going to be consistent as this is, after all, all purely about harm reduction and ensuring safe products for end users and not as all of us cynicists wrongly think actually just a revenue generation/protection scheme for government, big pharrma and big tobacco.
It will be handy tho. All the smokers buying their analogues in their local pharmacy can pick up their meds for all their respiratory complaints at the same time.
That is how it's going to happen, isn't it??

I've only been off the analogues this time for about nine weeks so am only just getting used to my sense of smell again but I definitely smell something familiar from my rural village childhood.
Cant quite put my finger on it tho.
Ah, wait a minute.
I got it now.
Bullshit!!

 

[Fleabag]

Going by the lack of information on the few pre-mixed bottles I've had (I started mixing within a week!), there are some that are woefully inadequate in terms of ingredient lists - many don't provide the VG/PG ratios and some don't even list nicotine strength, but classifying it as medicine is illogical and unnecessary.

They could quite easily apply similar legislation to that of cosmetics. Every product must be fully risk assessed by a qualified chemist, but this can be done in an affordable way for small businesses. Individual risk assessments are available for £100-£200, which covers the manufacturer to make one specific product with fixed ingredients, but a full risk assessment can be purchased for around £500-£600, which allows for a range of base products with all possible additional ingredients. This enables the manufacturer to produce shampoos, creams, lotions with a range of scent additions under one affordable risk assessment. The process would work just the same with juice - risk assessments that specify a range of strength liquids and all possible flavours you might want to add. When you produce, you are guaranteeing that you are adhering to the recipes covered by your risk assessment, and you can be prosecuted for trading outside those restrictions or without the assessment.
All small traders would be able to afford a few hundred quid to risk assess their recipes.

Oh, and large scale cosmetic companies can't operate under this legislation, they have to have different risk assessments for massive production of single recipes that cost BIG money