MHRA regulation of electronic cigarettes announced

[AndyC1971]

The point I think is the average buyer isn't qualified to decide which strange chemical component is safe to inhale and which isn't and if qualified people such as chemist say these are not a good idea and these are ok and the only additives we have found to be safe then that's a very much better than Joe public taking a punt.
The whole e-juice situation needs clarification on both sides, information for the public to make informed choices and vendors and mixers to have a safe ingredients list to work from, so far this appears to have evolve through trial and error and has not been properly quantified and made available as a centralised source of information.

You are right it is a buyers choice, but a real choice should be informed and based on more than something a friend said or it tastes good or as far as I know they have not made anyone sick yet. whether something is good or not needs some quantifiable means of measure so batch testing and some kind of check would provide that in a way we all understand using a check or measuring system that has been qualified, I have a goat for sale, how many chickens should you give me ??

Who here has seen exactly where the juice they are injesting is made ?
Any idea on procedures? Hygiene standards ? Method of measuring and accuracy ? The vendors source of nicotine or ingredient ?
Would it be a bad thing to have all this as a known rather than 'Bob' says it's great and it tastes nice?

You are most welcome to go forward based purely on trust but I would feel better if what I vape had been quantified as far as content and quality of preparation, no more than you might expect from your beer or slice of cheese, just a bit more than blind faith and I think 'Brian the juice wizard' is a nice guy.

You seem to feel insulted by my impression on learning the art of juice mixing, I'd be extremely grateful if you could help be change this impression and inform me as the where I can go and learn this art of mixing food flavourings with pharmaceutical glycerins and a potential poison, I've not seen anything I can attend where I could be instructed by someone with suitable qualifications on distributing a known poison safely and consistantly, this leads me to believe it must be trial and error on the back of rumour.

Again I will say, I think it should be covered by food regulations, the same regulations as the beer and cheese I mentioned earlier, if that beer is not sold in the quantity and of the alcohol strength described it's a weights and measures problem, there you have it, a standard we understand, both buyer and vendor and someone to be accountable to should it not be so...

I just want to know more about to contents of what I'm buying and that it wasn't made in a bucket on someone's balcony..
Guess that makes me a bit crazy, what next bootleg Russian Vodka anyone ???

Can I ask you to stop vaping, drinking, eating and lock yourself in a dark room, with pumped oxygen into it. Nothing is 100% safe, and everytime you cross the road, you take a risk. The way I look at it, and you are correct, I am not a scientist, is that 4000 chemicals, many with known carcinogens, the liquid I vape has.......4!! Does it really take a rocket scientist to work out what must be safer.

As for the food regulation you mentioned, what a brilliant piece of regulation that was, I have been eating horse for god knows how long!!!

Are cigarettes regulated to the same level?? If they are, why are they still on sale.

Now if you are going on this regulation crusade, can I ask why you started smoking in the same place.

I am happy with the choices of juice vendors I have made, because labelling, websites and correspondence with those people meet the guidelines set out by ECCA or ECITA. They are also passionate about what they do, and I believe them when they state its manufactured in sterile conditions, because they are passionate in what they do. I am sure if I asked them if I could visit to see my juice being made, the answer would be yes.

If I was uncomfortable with the way it was being made, I would mix it myself, no biggy, no great shakes, but your proposal is taking away my right to choose how I wish to deliver nicotine into my body. You and the government have no right to tell me what I can or cannot ingest into my body or how.

As for bootleg Russian Vodka, yeah its available, but we have the relevant regulation for beer and other alcohol, right?!

 

[Vapemonkey1980]

One thing that is making me chuckle is the knee jerk from some in the community.

Picture 3 flecks of snow and a sudden rush on Tesco!

The regulations AS ARE, i.e not contested and left to their own devices do not come in place for 3 years.

Mass buying on the day of the announcement is akin to some of the Doomsday preppers you see on sky. All it will do is lead to a shortage of nic base, so the vendors people are feeling so sorry for won't be able to source the fecking stuff, prices will rise, self full filling prophecy

People saying they can't live without vaping... of course you fecking can, you could live without tobacco either. What you mean is it would be uncomfortable to live without it and you have been fortunate enough to live in a society where you haven't had to.

Perhaps a view towards the positive that at least you have access to these things at all would be better than getting het up about something that realistically, on a global scale, means fuck all.

Ask the starving or homeless whether they feel for the vaping community, I would bet a substantial sum what the response would be...

A little perspective goes a long way....

Just my penneth worth.

 

[ZT]

One thing that is making me chuckle is the knee jerk from some in the community.

Picture 3 flecks of snow and a sudden rush on Tesco!

The regulations AS ARE, i.e not contested and left to their own devices do not come in place for 3 years.

Mass buying on the day of the announcement is akin to some of the Doomsday preppers you see on sky. All it will do is lead to a shortage of nic base, so the vendors people are feeling so sorry for won't be able to source the fecking stuff, prices will rise, self full filling prophecy

People saying they can't live without vaping... of course you fecking can, you could live without tobacco either. What you mean is it would be uncomfortable to live without it and you have been fortunate enough to live in a society where you haven't had to.

Perhaps a view towards the positive that at least you have access to these things at all would be better than getting het up about something that realistically, on a global scale, means fuck all.

Ask the starving or homeless whether they feel for the vaping community, I would bet a substantial sum what the response would be...

A little perspective goes a long way....

Just my penneth worth.

Thing is ... we are on a vaping Forum ... of course its going to be the fore front of everyones minds, we are not here to talk about the starving or homeless (which granted is a much more serious proposition). If this was a community care forum ... I'm sure that is what people would be talking about.

I think stocking up on Nic base is a good thing personally.

Yes people CAN live without vaping ... but we live in a (supposedly) free country .. why the fuck should we have too just so pharma, tobacco and taxes can continue raping us as they already have for so many years ?

you are right a little perspective does go a long way ... and why should we as a supposedly free people (though I think we can all agree thats a joke) put up with regulation that clearly has nothing to do with public health concerns and everything to do with oiling up the fat cats?

 

[Vapemonkey1980]

Thing is ... we are on a vaping Forum ... of course its going to be the fore front of everyones minds, we are not here to talk about the starving or homeless (which granted is a much more serious proposition). If this was a community care forum ... I'm sure that is what people would be talking about.

I think stocking up on Nic base is a good thing personally.

Yes people CAN live without vaping ... but we live in a (supposedly) free country .. why the fuck should we have too just so pharma, tobacco and taxes can continue raping us as they already have for so many years ?

you are right a little perspective does go a long way ... and why should we as a supposedly free people (though I think we can all agree thats a joke) put up with regulation that clearly has nothing to do with public health concerns and everything to do with oiling up the fat cats?

I don't disagree

Bit of a shitter when the only people who could probably afford to compete with the pharmaceutical giants are the bastards who landed most of us in this predicament in the first place I.E the tobacco giants who are branching into ecigs!

The knee jerk has been considerably less on here to be fair, but the myth of a "free" country as you say is somewhat unrealistic, but political debate probably ain't gonna help calm a situation at any given point

I just think that as a "civilised" country, some of the supposed "god given" rights we have afforded ourselves are a little wide of the mark and are more "expected perks" of being fortunate enough to have been at the forefront of the engineering revolution.

By all means build a stock pile, you've got plenty of time to do so. But I would have to think the more unscrupulous manufacturers are going to let quality slip in favour of quantity to meet demand. Safety is jeopardised, shit happens, and suddenly emergency measures are brought in for an instant ban..... now THAT'S knee jerk

But none the less possible

 

[steffijade]

Wouldn't want to? Bearing in mind I was a 30 a day smoker and I am currently very happy with my switch to vaping I do not intend to keep this up, I saw it as a healthier way of getting used to the idea of quitting nicotine.

You know what they say, if at first you don't succeed hit it with a bigger hammer, well I reckon I will be using his logic very soon

Good luck with it luv... you're probably stronger willed/more motivated than I am and if it's what you want to do, then I hope you succeed.

 

[yoda1970]

Yes, Dave Dorn is a vaping God! He talks a lot more sense on this subject than most people. I'd strongly suggest anybody watch his VTTALK program on VapourTrails.tv it's a great watch, he certainly has his finger on the e-cig pulse, especially where the EU interference is concerned. Apparently, according to what he was saying last week i think it was or the week before, the EU has been making this big argument about e-cigs becoming a "gateway" product for kids getting into smoking, and he pointed out that apparently since 2005 NRT such as patches and gum etc has been available to be sold LEGALLY to kids as young as 12 if they've been smoking fags, so if e-cigs get classed in the same category as NRT isn't that going to mean that kids as young as 12 can go and get e-cigs LEGALLY aswell? Have the idiot politicians thought about that one? Methinks not! Blithering idiots!! Can you tell i'm a little bit p***ed off?

 

[nancyvape]

Quote from article in yesterday's Independent: "The MHRA said that e-cigarettes deemed to be marketed at children would be banned. Some companies sell chocolate and bubblegum-flavoured products. Mr Mean said it was unlikely such products would be licensed."
Mr Mean! :-)
No doubt they just want Mild/Medium/Menthol flavours to be available, in overpriced disposable cartomisers, so that vaping can become yet another NRT that doesn't work. I love the sweet flavours, it's what stopped me giving in to cigarette cravings when I first started vaping.

 

[stumpey]

What about all the alcho pops then same thing taste of sweet drinks are we going to ban them as well ?? or does that not count.... I think I know the answer to that....... such a lot of bo**ocks spoken by people who know FA about FA and they have the power to F8ck with our lives......



Come the Glorious Revolution there is gonna be a long que for that wall...... Guy Fawkes was the man right idea bad execution (pun)

 

[Szaxe]

 

[Szaxe]

Ps ... the minute we allow the arguement that you shouldn't campaign because there are those worse off,

nothing can ever be resolved until we decide history's worse victim !!!