Naive Watts question

[danb]

I'm curious about all these 100W+ devices.

Is vaping at this power level just for quickly heating low res kanthal builds and/or advanced high surface area builds?

Just asking because I've been using TC for about 6 months and seem to have settled at around 25W for 0.1-0.2 Ohm builds on Ni200 and NiFe30. My TC devices are both 40W max, but I seem to prefer the 20-30W region to the 30-40W region, so I'm just wondering what the benefits of the 100W+ region are. I guess there is no/minimal advantage for TC as the device will start backing off after a fraction of a second anyway, but I was hoping someone could enlighten me and explain what sort of builds benefit from 100W+ (or if there's already a thread, point me in the right direction).

 

[danb]

Sorry to bump this, I know it's a dickish thing to do, but I'm really surprised nobody has an opinion on this...

Ducking for cover...

 

[drnick]

I'm curious about all these 100W+ devices.

Is vaping at this power level just for quickly heating low res kanthal builds and/or advanced high surface area builds?

(IMHO) Yes - That and to assist in creating bloody great Cummulus.

 

[Tubbyengineer]

The high powers are needed for the High airflow devices like the Velocity RDA, I use 27w on my Heron, 70w on my TFV4, and I've been to 120w on the Velocity...

I stopped when I realised I was having difficulty reading a screen two feet away from me...

 

[MrDJ]

I'm curious about all these 100W+ devices.

Is vaping at this power level just for quickly heating low res kanthal builds and/or advanced high surface area builds?

Just asking because I've been using TC for about 6 months and seem to have settled at around 25W for 0.1-0.2 Ohm builds on Ni200 and NiFe30. My TC devices are both 40W max, but I seem to prefer the 20-30W region to the 30-40W region, so I'm just wondering what the benefits of the 100W+ region are. I guess there is no/minimal advantage for TC as the device will start backing off after a fraction of a second anyway, but I was hoping someone could enlighten me and explain what sort of builds benefit from 100W+ (or if there's already a thread, point me in the right direction).

im totally new to TC and i could be totally wrong here so just laugh at me if you dare

ive only tried TC on my istick 40 for a couple of weeks but was warned about using ni200 coils on anything else except TC mode like my istick50 or even the i40 on normal wattage mode.

you mention your sweet spot is 20-30w
while running TC mode your device (or my istick40 does anyway) shows 40w and then the centigrade or faranite readout is what you should be raising or lowering. if you are going by the wattage as your sweet spot of 20-30w then it sounds like you are not running in TC mode at all.

check the instructions of your mod as ive been told its dangerous to use ni200 coils in normal wattage mode.

 

[danb]

you mention your sweet spot is 20-30w
while running TC mode your device (or my istick40 does anyway) shows 40w and then the centigrade or faranite readout is what you should be raising or lowering. if you are going by the wattage as your sweet spot of 20-30w then it sounds like you are not running in TC mode at all.

Not all devices are the same. I'm using an rDNA40 and a pipeline pro 2, and they are certainly in TC mode. You can set both temp and power in TC mode on these devices. Never used an istick so I have no idea about that. I usually vape 200-230 ^oC with wattage set around 25 W. These devices initially fire up to the set power (possibly with a little boost), not automatically to the maximum power, and then back off.

If I'd been vaping 0.1 Ohm Ni coils in wattage mode for 6 months you'd probably have seen the remains of my face on the news by now!

 

[MrDJ]

Not all devices are the same. I'm using an rDNA40 and a pipeline pro 2, and they are certainly in TC mode. You can set both temp and power in TC mode on these devices. Never used an istick so I have no idea about that. I usually vape 200-230 ^oC with wattage set around 25 W. These devices initially fire up to the set power (possibly with a little boost), not automatically to the maximum power, and then back off.

If I'd been vaping 0.1 Ohm Ni coils in wattage mode for 6 months you'd probably have seen the remains of my face on the news by now!

good to hear then.
so many devices with different display readouts gets a bit confusing.

ive kicked the freemax starre pro ni200 coils to the kerb and are just using DVC 0.25 coils now and they do the job for me so cant be bothered with TC anymore.

 

[itssme]

I dont know about TC on the DNA200 but as far as I know all other devices apply limits to the wattage produced varying on the wire used. The Yihi board in the IPV4 limits the joules to 50j for Ni and 100j for Ti. I expect that other high powered Yihi devices do the same...so I am guessing that the SX Mini limits 50j for Ni and 60j for Ti, but I am not sure.

I tend to use Ti now for TC and do not see any sense in reducing the wattage or joules. The Koopor I run in "Hard" setting which is 60w, the IPV4S I run at 100j, my Kamry 40w I run at 40w and my custom is run at its max of 50w. By vaping at lower wattage or joules you are only affecting the time it takes to heat the coils...not how hot they get. You might as well reduce the ramp up time to its minimum and adjust the quality of the vape by the temp setting, after all, that is why you bought a TC device is it not?

Although two of my devices do not have Ti settings, I reduce the temp by 100f when using Ti.

If you run your TC device at too low a wattage the coil will not have enough time to hit a higher temp setting during your 3 second toot, resulting in a poor cold vape....so you up the temp....and you still get a poor cold vape because you have not addressed the problem.

So my advice...but suit yourself, is to give it the Jeramey Clarkson......max power and use the temp setting as the fine tune.

 

[danb]

The high powers are needed for the High airflow devices

Ah ha, I see. Makes sense.

I just had a play with my Billow V2: I tend to like a slightly restricted lung hit, so I've never bothered to hit it with the airflow fully open. With max airflow, 215 ^o​C, 40 W is indeed substantially better than 25 W. And the visibility in my living room is substantially worse.

Thanks for the insight.

 

[Tubbyengineer]

I dont know about TC on the DNA200 but as far as I know all other devices apply limits to the wattage produced varying on the wire used. The Yihi board in the IPV4 limits the joules to 50j for Ni and 100j for Ti. I expect that other high powered Yihi devices do the same...so I am guessing that the SX Mini limits 50j for Ni and 60j for Ti, but I am not sure.

I tend to use Ti now for TC and do not see any sense in reducing the wattage or joules. The Koopor I run in "Hard" setting which is 60w, the IPV4S I run at 100j, my Kamry 40w I run at 40w and my custom is run at its max of 50w. By vaping at lower wattage or joules you are only affecting the time it takes to heat the coils...not how hot they get. You might as well reduce the ramp up time to its minimum and adjust the quality of the vape by the temp setting, after all, that is why you bought a TC device is it not?

Although two of my devices do not have Ti settings, I reduce the temp by 100f when using Ti.

If you run your TC device at too low a wattage the coil will not have enough time to hit a higher temp setting during your 3 second toot, resulting in a poor cold vape....so you up the temp....and you still get a poor cold vape because you have not addressed the problem.

So my advice...but suit yourself, is to give it the Jeramey Clarkson......max power and use the temp setting as the fine tune.

The DNA200 will indeed hit 200w in TC Mode - if you keep to 0.12 ohms or lower, the info is there somewhere I just cannae for the life of me remember where I read it...