new VAT rules for imports from 1st jan 2021

[Miss Pepper]

It's not a UK / Brexit thing:

https://www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/...-22-import-exemption--import-oss-returns.html

 

[zouzounaki]

It's not a UK / Brexit thing:

https://www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/...-22-import-exemption--import-oss-returns.html

aye, it is and it isn’t, the uk is implementing this differently because of brexit, ie starting yesterday instead of july, and no option for vat collected at customs, sellers need to register with hmrc. in the eu that will remain possible according to the article you linked. it also means uk purchases from eu are considered overseas imports and vice versa.

but it was happening one way or the other.

 

[Miss Pepper]

It was just to show the other side of the coin that even if we were still in the EU it was coming anyway.

 

[zouzounaki]

It was just to show the other side of the coin that even if we were still in the EU it was coming anyway.

it’s hard to see how it can be policed. seems even harder than the current way with it happening at customs and we know those often slip through anyway. how would anybody know if i bought something from a place in china that wasn’t vat registered?

 

[mick brown]

Evil way to recoup costs from furlough !? [emoji6]

 

[andipandi]

it’s hard to see how it can be policed. seems even harder than the current way with it happening at customs and we know those often slip through anyway. how would anybody know if i bought something from a place in china that wasn’t vat registered?

No idea, but if the China vendors or any others don't comply one can expect the onus to eventually be placed upon the (retail) customer, perhaps goods seized and destroyed, maybe some sort of fixed penalty notice\ fee.

Basically scare the shit out of people so we won't want to order sod all from abroad, certainly China.

 

[eyeball kid]

I cant see the Chinese vendors continuing with UK giveaways, surely they won't want to be assed to collect VAT and other possible duty shite. How will it affect, for instance, POTV product reviewers, most of the stuff comes from outside of the UK. Despite the £39 rule, there is a commercial element attached to all of the reviewers stuff, as it comes from a company/ business, which theoretically means that the reviewer would have to pay duty on all products received for review, no matter the value, unless the vendor paid it for them?
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Maybe it only applies to Royal Mail and Parcel Force?


1.1 What this notice is about

This notice explains what happens when you import or export goods by post through Royal Mail or Parcelforce Worldwide. It also applies to gifts received through the post. Unless specified otherwise, all further references to Royal Mail within the text of this notice also applies to Parcelforce Worldwide, who are part of Royal Mail Group Ltd.

But:

This notice explains what happens when you import or export goods by post through Royal Mail or Parcelforce Worldwide. It also applies to gifts received through the post. Unless specified otherwise, all further references to Royal Mail within the text of this notice also applies to Parcelforce Worldwide, who are part of Royal Mail Group Ltd.



2.2 Paying taxes on goods sent to you

Most goods arriving in the UK are liable to any or all of the following taxes:

• Customs Duty
• Excise Duty
• Import VAT

These taxes must still be paid if:

• you purchase the goods or receive them as a gift
• the goods are new or used (including antiques)
• the goods are for your private use or for re-sale

2.4 Gifts

Goods sent as a gift that are over £39 in value are liable to Import VAT. Customs Duty also becomes payable if the value of the goods is over £135.

To qualify as a gift:

• the customs declaration must be completed correctly
• the gift must be sent from a private person outside the UK to a private person(s) in the UK
• there is no commercial or trade element and the gift has not been paid for either directly or indirectly by anyone in the UK
• the gift is of an occasional nature only, for example, for a birthday or anniversary

If you purchase something from outside of the UK to give as a gift to a relative or friend, whether or not it is addressed to that person, it will be treated as a ‘commercial consignment’, for which the Import VAT relief threshold in section 2.3 applies.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...tice-143-a-guide-for-international-post-users

Most reviewers will understandably drop off of they're having to shell out more On every review.
I stopped reviewing for manufacturers/vendor's mid last year and I was already paying between £4 & £40 per item (more items at the £40 Mark in the end). Also that doesn't include the £5-10 cost of packaging and posting it cost to give the item away.
I won't lie, the on going costs definitely where a consideration in stopping.
I can't imagine many taking that hit.
Fingers crossed manufacturers will start sending out review items and prizes via a UK office or in conjunction with a UK vendor which would be a more useful thing for the community.

 

[zouzounaki]

No idea, but if the China vendors or any others don't comply one can expect the onus to eventually be placed upon the (retail) customer, perhaps goods seized and destroyed, maybe some sort of fixed penalty notice\ fee.

Basically scare the shit out of people so we won't want to order sod all from abroad, certainly China.

i can’t see how they could do that with this though, the onus is 100% on the vendor to be registered for vat and charge it to the customer.

maybe they’ll use some kind of vat declaration form for incoming parcels.

 

[Simon G]

I cant see the Chinese vendors continuing with UK giveaways, surely they won't want to be assed to collect VAT and other possible duty shite. How will it affect, for instance, POTV product reviewers, most of the stuff comes from outside of the UK. Despite the £39 rule, there is a commercial element attached to all of the reviewers stuff, as it comes from a company/ business, which theoretically means that the reviewer would have to pay duty on all products received for review, no matter the value, unless the vendor paid it for them?
.............................


Maybe it only applies to Royal Mail and Parcel Force?


1.1 What this notice is about

This notice explains what happens when you import or export goods by post through Royal Mail or Parcelforce Worldwide. It also applies to gifts received through the post. Unless specified otherwise, all further references to Royal Mail within the text of this notice also applies to Parcelforce Worldwide, who are part of Royal Mail Group Ltd.

But:

This notice explains what happens when you import or export goods by post through Royal Mail or Parcelforce Worldwide. It also applies to gifts received through the post. Unless specified otherwise, all further references to Royal Mail within the text of this notice also applies to Parcelforce Worldwide, who are part of Royal Mail Group Ltd.



2.2 Paying taxes on goods sent to you

Most goods arriving in the UK are liable to any or all of the following taxes:

• Customs Duty
• Excise Duty
• Import VAT

These taxes must still be paid if:

• you purchase the goods or receive them as a gift
• the goods are new or used (including antiques)
• the goods are for your private use or for re-sale

2.4 Gifts

Goods sent as a gift that are over £39 in value are liable to Import VAT. Customs Duty also becomes payable if the value of the goods is over £135.

To qualify as a gift:

• the customs declaration must be completed correctly
• the gift must be sent from a private person outside the UK to a private person(s) in the UK
• there is no commercial or trade element and the gift has not been paid for either directly or indirectly by anyone in the UK
• the gift is of an occasional nature only, for example, for a birthday or anniversary

If you purchase something from outside of the UK to give as a gift to a relative or friend, whether or not it is addressed to that person, it will be treated as a ‘commercial consignment’, for which the Import VAT relief threshold in section 2.3 applies.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...tice-143-a-guide-for-international-post-users

Most of this isn't anything new though, it's why I never got my Voopoo mod/tank that I won, UPS wanted me to pay for it.

 

[RuiG]

Low value purchases, giveaways and reviewers will take a monster hit.

Mid last year I decided ro build a life lasting stash and I can say it's done. Will only need to buy nicotine, base and diy flavourings.

The taxes and fees that are heading our way will make vaping way more expensive.