What's new

new VAT rules for imports from 1st jan 2021

Most of this isn't anything new though, it's why I never got my Voopoo mod/tank that I won, UPS wanted me to pay for it.
Yeah, although I'm On a review down at the moment, Voopoo kindly sent me a Christmas present.
Unfortunately I only found out when ups turned up at the door with a bill for sixty quid.
Needless to say it went back.
 
Yeah, although I'm On a review down at the moment, Voopoo kindly sent me a Christmas present.
Unfortunately I only found out when ups turned up at the door with a bill for sixty quid.
Needless to say it went back.

It still makes me laugh now thinking about how rude I was to them, I was utterly convinced it was a scam call. :D

... they rang me 3 times, in the end I was like "I've not bought anything and I'm not paying anything so do whatever you like with it" lol...
 
It still makes me laugh now thinking about how rude I was to them, I was utterly convinced it was a scam call. :D

... they rang me 3 times, in the end I was like "I've not bought anything and I'm not paying anything so do whatever you like with it" lol...
Lol been there.
a number of vendors who will go unnamed, got my info somehow and sent items to me On spec.
I have had more than one screaming match with some euro arse from UPS telling me to inform them of the contents of a parcel I had no idea about.
generally ended up with me telling them to shove them up...
there's a special place in hell for ups.
 
i can’t see how they could do that with this though, the onus is 100% on the vendor to be registered for vat and charge it to the customer.

maybe they’ll use some kind of vat declaration form for incoming parcels.

I agree, but if China goes rogue and refuses to play ball, then what. Someone has to pay, hence my thinking it would be the customer, or at least, we would have to discouraged (from purchases).

maybe they’ll use some kind of vat declaration form for incoming parcels.

Indeed, I assume the likes of fasttech are an online marketplace.

Compliance arrangements and invoicing

VAT invoicing obligations will apply.

The person liable to account for the VAT will be required to provide the customer with a full VAT invoice at the point of sale - this obligation will fall on either the seller (for sales not facilitated by an OMP) or the OMP, where it is facilitating the sale and so acting as deemed supplier for VAT purposes.

The invoice can be in paper or digital form, but the option to issue a simplified or modified invoice will not apply. Read more information record keeping.

In addition to risk-based checks at the border, HMRC will, as it does now, carry out extensive risk-based compliance activity away from the border using various data sources to identify and tackle non-compliance.

Who should register for VAT

OMPs must register for UK VAT in order to account for VAT on their deemed supplies, with effect from 1 January 2021.

You will also need to register if you sell goods directly (without using an OMP to facilitate your sales) to UK consumers and the goods are outside the UK at the point of sale. From 1 January 2021 the distance selling threshold for sales from EU member states will no longer apply. There is no VAT registration threshold for businesses established outside the UK so you will be required to register for VAT on any value of sales where you become liable for VAT under these new measures.

You should register for UK VAT if you haven’t already.

If you are already registered for UK VAT you do not need to register again. There is no separate form of registration for these measures – just the standard UK VAT registration for non-established taxable persons.

If you are a business established in the EU and making sales to UK consumers that were covered by the distance selling rules prior to 1 January 2021 then you may already be registered for UK VAT and can continue to use your VAT registration to account for VAT under these new arrangements for the VAT treatment of overseas goods.

What an online marketplace (OMP) is

We use the term OMP to describe any electronic interface (website or mobile application) such as a marketplace, platform, portal or similar that facilitates the sale of goods to customers. As well as facilitating supplies, operators of OMPs may also sell their own goods on the OMP, but where they do so they are treated for VAT purposes as a direct seller rather than an OMP.

HMRC’s definition of an online marketplace is a business using a website or mobile phone app (such as a marketplace, platform or portal) to handle the sale of goods to customers which meets all of the following conditions:

  • in any way sets the terms and conditions on how goods are supplied to the customer
  • is involved in any way in authorising or facilitating customers’ payments
  • is involved in the ordering or delivery of the goods
A business which only provides one of the following will also not be regarded as an OMP:

a) the processing of payments in relation to the supply of goods
b) the listing or advertising of goods
c) the redirecting or transferring of customers to other electronic interfaces where goods are offered for sale, without any further intervention in the supply

What a UK customer is

Whether the sale is to a ‘UK customer’ will be determined by whether the final customer’s delivery address for the goods is in the UK, irrespective of the customer’s billing address.

Goodwill clause

OMPs will need to be vigilant in ensuring that they get accurate information, as above, to apply the correct VAT treatment. This means they will have to undertake reasonable and proportionate due diligence and consider all the information available to them in determining the correct VAT treatment.

OMPs will not be held liable for any VAT underdeclared where they can demonstrate that they have taken all reasonable steps within their power to ensure that the correct VAT is charged.

Record keeping

OMPs and direct sellers will be required to keep electronic records of their sales for a period of 6 years and to provide records electronically to HMRC on request.

For OMPs this includes both sales they make themselves (directly to consumers) and sales by third party sellers that they help as an OMP, which for the purposes of these new measures will be deemed sales by the OMP.
 
Most reviewers will understandably drop off of they're having to shell out more On every review.
I stopped reviewing for manufacturers/vendor's mid last year and I was already paying between £4 & £40 per item (more items at the £40 Mark in the end). Also that doesn't include the £5-10 cost of packaging and posting it cost to give the item away.
I won't lie, the on going costs definitely where a consideration in stopping.
I can't imagine many taking that hit.
Fingers crossed manufacturers will start sending out review items and prizes via a UK office or in conjunction with a UK vendor which would be a more useful thing for the community.

wtf, I had no idea, I thought it was sent to you (reviewers) for free, including postage. Up to £40 an item, blimey. My presumption was based on the fact that so many potv reviewers end up doing giveaways, and don't even charge the winner(s) for postage.
 
wtf, I had no idea, I thought it was sent to you (reviewers) for free, including postage. Up to £40 an item, blimey. My presumption was based on the fact that so many potv reviewers end up doing giveaways, and don't even charge the winner(s) for postage.
They are free but customs and handling isn't.
I think with the exception of a few, most reviewers on here feel the same as me that to keep these item's would stifle objectivity.
Don't get me wrong, Mrs kid nicked a few items (4 over the year's) and I handed a few out to friends and family to help them quit but the rest go back out.
I'm not a fan of seeing review items in the classifieds, seems immoral to me but to be fair I know some have to recoup those customs charges so no judgement.
 
wtf, I had no idea, I thought it was sent to you (reviewers) for free, including postage. Up to £40 an item, blimey. My presumption was based on the fact that so many potv reviewers end up doing giveaways, and don't even charge the winner(s) for postage.
Dhl tend to be around £3.90 but fed ex and UPS where around £39 but as I say above that seems to have risen to closer to sixty quid now.
 
wtf, I had no idea, I thought it was sent to you (reviewers) for free, including postage. Up to £40 an item, blimey. My presumption was based on the fact that so many potv reviewers end up doing giveaways, and don't even charge the winner(s) for postage.

No, there's always the risk of customs charges and handling fee when things are sent, they're not covered by the vendors when doing comps and sending things for review.
 
I agree, but if China goes rogue and refuses to play ball, then what. Someone has to pay, hence my thinking it would be the customer, or at least, we would have to discouraged (from purchases).



Indeed, I assume the likes of fasttech are an online marketplace.

Compliance arrangements and invoicing

VAT invoicing obligations will apply.

The person liable to account for the VAT will be required to provide the customer with a full VAT invoice at the point of sale - this obligation will fall on either the seller (for sales not facilitated by an OMP) or the OMP, where it is facilitating the sale and so acting as deemed supplier for VAT purposes.

The invoice can be in paper or digital form, but the option to issue a simplified or modified invoice will not apply. Read more information record keeping.

In addition to risk-based checks at the border, HMRC will, as it does now, carry out extensive risk-based compliance activity away from the border using various data sources to identify and tackle non-compliance.

Who should register for VAT

OMPs must register for UK VAT in order to account for VAT on their deemed supplies, with effect from 1 January 2021.

You will also need to register if you sell goods directly (without using an OMP to facilitate your sales) to UK consumers and the goods are outside the UK at the point of sale. From 1 January 2021 the distance selling threshold for sales from EU member states will no longer apply. There is no VAT registration threshold for businesses established outside the UK so you will be required to register for VAT on any value of sales where you become liable for VAT under these new measures.

You should register for UK VAT if you haven’t already.

If you are already registered for UK VAT you do not need to register again. There is no separate form of registration for these measures – just the standard UK VAT registration for non-established taxable persons.

If you are a business established in the EU and making sales to UK consumers that were covered by the distance selling rules prior to 1 January 2021 then you may already be registered for UK VAT and can continue to use your VAT registration to account for VAT under these new arrangements for the VAT treatment of overseas goods.

What an online marketplace (OMP) is

We use the term OMP to describe any electronic interface (website or mobile application) such as a marketplace, platform, portal or similar that facilitates the sale of goods to customers. As well as facilitating supplies, operators of OMPs may also sell their own goods on the OMP, but where they do so they are treated for VAT purposes as a direct seller rather than an OMP.

HMRC’s definition of an online marketplace is a business using a website or mobile phone app (such as a marketplace, platform or portal) to handle the sale of goods to customers which meets all of the following conditions:

  • in any way sets the terms and conditions on how goods are supplied to the customer
  • is involved in any way in authorising or facilitating customers’ payments
  • is involved in the ordering or delivery of the goods
A business which only provides one of the following will also not be regarded as an OMP:

a) the processing of payments in relation to the supply of goods
b) the listing or advertising of goods
c) the redirecting or transferring of customers to other electronic interfaces where goods are offered for sale, without any further intervention in the supply

What a UK customer is

Whether the sale is to a ‘UK customer’ will be determined by whether the final customer’s delivery address for the goods is in the UK, irrespective of the customer’s billing address.

Goodwill clause

OMPs will need to be vigilant in ensuring that they get accurate information, as above, to apply the correct VAT treatment. This means they will have to undertake reasonable and proportionate due diligence and consider all the information available to them in determining the correct VAT treatment.

OMPs will not be held liable for any VAT underdeclared where they can demonstrate that they have taken all reasonable steps within their power to ensure that the correct VAT is charged.

Record keeping

OMPs and direct sellers will be required to keep electronic records of their sales for a period of 6 years and to provide records electronically to HMRC on request.

For OMPs this includes both sales they make themselves (directly to consumers) and sales by third party sellers that they help as an OMP, which for the purposes of these new measures will be deemed sales by the OMP.

it blind marketplaces would be the likes of ebay, aliexpress etc. i reckon there is a focus on them because loss of stuff comes in from overseas through them, and it is implemented by the marketplace itself rather than individual sellers. so aliexpress it seems have implemented this, their website will calculate 20% vat into each sale to the uk and there is no getting round it.

i think individual businesses like fasttech and the like might be harder for them, as there are many more of them doing less sales each (than the total number of ebay sales into the uk, for example, which will all include the vat simply from ebay adapting it’s system) and it’s hard to see how this could be policed.
 
wtf, I had no idea, I thought it was sent to you (reviewers) for free, including postage. Up to £40 an item, blimey. My presumption was based on the fact that so many potv reviewers end up doing giveaways, and don't even charge the winner(s) for postage.

Nah, this is exactly why I don't give everything away here, if I didn't flog a few bits to friends and family to keep things in balance I'd be out of pocket like @eyeball kid ... and then I wouldn't bother.
 
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