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The future of vaping............

A lot of shops have disposables as the majority of their stock so it's hard to see how they will survive.

Also if the government plan to make the hardware more expensive it's going to be a very niche market. Whatever happens I'm going to start hoarding and stockpiling for the Vapocalypse starting from now.
I had never really thought of it that way (with the disposables) - my local shop used to have lots of hardware stock/tanks etc. (they used to message me when new devices came in so I could get first refusal). Now they are down to one small cabinet of mods, everything else is liquid or disposables.
 
I'm don't go through huge amounts of juice so even though the cost will double my average weekly consumption of 60ml of 3mg and 10ml of 20mg will still be affordable so I intend to continue buying as normal and just take the tax hit. I will stock up in advance of course - probably 150 nic shots for the freezer and if I can afford it enough shortfills and MTL juice stocks to last a couple of years.

What really concerns me is just how many of the current juice manufacturers will survive. I think the additional costs of paying tax for everything they manufacture is going to be very high risk, if flavour restrictions are also introduced and they automatically lose many of their established and profitable juice lines then I think they will have a bleak, if any, future.

If, after taxes/possible flavour restrictions are introduced and my pre-tax stash runs out I'll just buy as I do now assuming shortfills in 50 and 100ml sizes are still available in suitable flavours. If the only flavours available are tobacco or menthol or the juice industry is then essentially owned by the Tobacco business I'll be forced into DIY or quitting vaping.
 
my concern is the cost of base mix. Paying around £5 for 1 litre currently, which will cost upwards of £125 with vat and the additional tax. Thats insane.

Meanwhile, you pay £2 extra on every 100 cigs you buy.

I feel its going to create a lot more smokes as the cost gap just closed massively between the two.
 
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I'm more worried for all the smaller vape businesses rather than my own vaping because I've been building up enough vape gear that I'll never run out of most things.

I just think there as so many really good vendors who don't deserve the amount of pain this is going to cause them and I can see a sizeable proportion of them being driven out of business.

I currently have 4 of my own DIY juice recipes that I'm very happy with so my only nagging concern is whether it will still be possible to get hold of the range of flavour concentrates that I use or else I'll have to stockpile as much as I can.
 
I'm going to learn how to mix, stock up on DIY stuff and make an effort to reduce my nic down from 3mg to 0mg.

If that doesn't go to plan I'll just quit and take up something cheaper and easier to get hold of like heroin.
 
This was one of the factors that made me leave the UK, not specifically smoking and vaping but in general, increasingly over-reaching government telling people what they're not allowed to do any more; either by banning it or taxing it so brutally that they might as well.

Here in Indonesia smoking is like it was in the UK 30+ years ago, you can both vape and smoke pretty much wherever you like - sure, not in a supermarket or the queue at the bank but pretty much anywhere you sit and eat or drink and all public areas.

There are a few restaurants, cafes and areas in bars where you can't but that's mainly posh tourist places or where there's a children's play area and other obviously sensible restrictions; but they're all private decisions by individual businesses and thus fair enough - the government don't restrict it at all.

Vaping is pretty big here, generally young folk vape and the old buggers smoke (like chimneys) and while occasionally rumours go around about some proposed ban, it never happens, there's seemingly zero prospect of it actually being restricted, much like tobacco I imagine.

Nevertheless, I keep a good stock of flavours, base and nic... just in case.

I feel sorry for you guys, with the prices going up and up, and potential bans in the offing, and the nanny state in general... get the hell out if/while you can ! :)

Price-wise - 60ml of decent shop-bought liquid is 150,000 / 7.50 quid here - about 1/3rd of that is govt. tax but that's been the same for years, it's not getting more expensive over time.

Whereas a pack of 20 marlboros is about 35,000 (1.75 quid - was under a quid a few years back), a 40g pack of decent tobacco is 26,000 (1.30) - pack of quality papers about 20k, pack of filters I think about the same price as the baccy !!). So it's actually cheaper to smoke roll-ups than vape - and probably similar with pre-made cigarettes depending onhow much you cane one or the other.

I smoke roll-ups though - and it'd be considerably cheaper if I didn't buy premium filters and used papers with no gum... but that's not going to happen!

It's a lot cheaper when you make your own juice though, flavours are cheapish (there are some local manufacturers but most are imported in bulk and then repackaged and sold on in 10/20ml bottles) and PG/VG are super-cheap and nic pretty cheap too.

I guess in the UK they can't ban the batteries, wire or cotton, but might be worth getting a spare mod or two and a replacement RDA or whatever in...
 
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Like others have said, i feel for the small businesses' we all use, and hope they can survive. Personally i have enough stash bar a few concentrates to see me through the next 2- to 3yrs, plan is to have enough stored to see through the coming turmoil, and take it from there.
 
Same here. Am concerned for small business. Not worried about myself as I've gone down to 0mg. This wasn't through choice but developing a hypersensitivity to nicotine. Still enjoy the flavours but not a huge jump to give up.
 
Assuming that my understanding is correct, and my current 200-250ml per week of 70/30 containing 5x 18mg 10ml nic shots that I make from concentrate is going to basically triple in price.

I will be going back to golden virginia

Ultimately vaping the way I do is the only way that worked for me, which was to make vaping more enjoyable than smoking

Going mtl with a low volume won't work at all for me
 
Actually surely my understanding is wrong.
Propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin do not exist purely for the vaping market, surely there will be other avenues
Same applies to the concentrate

The nicotine shots, I actually have no moral aversion to a sensible amount of tax tbh, can't see how that can be dodged, but taxing the rest seems unworkable
 
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