The future of vaping............

[MTB Vaper]

Apparently Germany have done something to tax VG/PG I'm unsure of the details though.

 

[Mortz]

Like many others, I am slowly moving to MTL only, where before I was mainly DTL.

I only vape at 3mg anyway so I am going to try to get down to 0mg to make it easier to quit if legislation becomes too restrictive.

 

[Simon G]

Actually surely my understanding is wrong.
Propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin do not exist purely for the vaping market, surely there will be other avenues
Same applies to the concentrate

The nicotine shots, I actually have no moral aversion to a sensible amount of tax tbh, can't see how that can be dodged, but taxing the rest seems unworkable

It's completely unworkable, the next government will have to try and sort it all out... which will be fun. It's not even worth speculating about yet. A lot can happen between now and then.

 

[Mutley1]

For me yes I worry about the small business going too the wall, like manabush, Digbys & legion X, in the end though I can't go back too smoking with my asthma & Copd, I'm going too buy bottle shots along with the longfills & when they run out & we know how much liquid will be by then I will probably try nicotine replacement again.

 

[pixelwasp]

Mother-Flippin' government, had to stick their beak in and ruin things. Things used to be so good. Then we had TPD, we adjusted and made do with their stupid restrictions. Now they've realized there's more cash to be made from us vapers. They're losing too much revenue from us stopping smoking and they want it back.

I hope we don't get to the point where we just have memories to look back on of the time vaping was a big part of our lives. But as mentioned above, a lot can happen between now and then. We just have to cross our fingers and hope for the best.

If it all goes teats up I'm going underground, becoming a member of whatever secret DIY e liquid groups there are and trying to carry on regardless. All I know is I don't want to stop vaping and I won't be able to afford to keep going at my current rate of consumption if they start increasing prices on everything. /rant

 

[Mutley1]

Mother-Flippin' government, had to stick their beak in and ruin things. Things used to be so good. Then we had TPD, we adjusted and made do with their stupid restrictions. Now they've realized there's more cash to be made from us vapers. They're losing too much revenue from us stopping smoking and they want it back.

I hope we don't get to the point where we just have memories to look back on of the time vaping was a big part of our lives. But as mentioned above, a lot can happen between now and then. We just have to cross our fingers and hope for the best.

If it all goes teats up I'm going underground, becoming a member of whatever secret DIY e liquid groups there are and trying to carry on regardless. All I know is I don't want to stop vaping and I won't be able to afford to keep going at my current rate of consumption if they start increasing prices on everything. /rant

I agree with you about the government now wanting there share of us vapes, but the government does not realise or care how many people are going to lose there jobs & therefore loose out any future tax from them & if labour get in like I think they will then vaping in the UK is fucking doomed.

 

[vapesmarter]

The first reading and vote on the bill is today some mps want to give Rishi a bloody nose not because the tobacco and vaping bill is promoting prohibition a system which will drive the products into the hands of the black market. ( A recent one is the alcohol ban in south South Africa where supermarkets started selling sugar yeast and pineapples in a handy “kit” to make booze so you could boil it and produce a lovely spirit with added deadly chemicals) but just because they don’t like Rishi.

The u turn on vaping and the mass hysteria in the press and the world health organisation not having a deadly pandemic to chat about has decided that your average 18-21 year old is too thick to understand the dangers of smoking or the 200 times safer vaping to quit the smoking habit even though they can vote go to war and kill people, buy a house, have children, drink use drugs.

I can’t see a way around this all I can see is future news headlines of the dodgy guy selling juice with added rat poison on the street corner whilst kids will still vape drink do drugs and the smokers will be asked their age at every purchase.

Rishi is driving a runaway bus with his eyes shut but in the back of the bus are all the opposition parties singing boozing and smoking fat cigars.

 

[andipandi]

Apparently Germany have done something to tax VG/PG I'm unsure of the details though.

Taxed in vape shops, if bought elsewhere, best i could glean is as above. Also liable to tax fraud/ evasion prosecution if not declared and the duty paid.

Bearing in mind the following question in the consultation, it's possible the UK might be heading in that direction. It would drive the whole DIY thing completely underground. For me no posting about liquid/ recipes online, no telling people when out and about that I make my own liquids. There would be no escape, perhaps our front doors will be busted open and our freezers, flavour/ VG PG stash seized. Sounds mad but it's all possible, perhaps not on a wide scale, there's no manpower for that, but individual examples can be made. The moment the laws are in place DIYing at home would/ could become criminalised, if duties are not paid.

Question 8: Should production of vaping products by individuals for their own use be within scope of the duty? Yes/No. Please explain any reasons for your answer.

 

[andipandi]

It's completely unworkable, the next government will have to try and sort it all out... which will be fun. It's not even worth speculating about yet. A lot can happen between now and then.

Simple, make vaping prescription only, psycho Streeting said a while back that he likes the look of the Australian model.

 

[Mitz]

Call me crazy but I'll take overbearing and overreaching government interference over going back to what it was like 20+ years ago with smoking.