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The slow creep towards tobacco status?

steffijade

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Over recent weeks there has been a strong media push towards heavy touch controls on tobacco smoking. There was the announcement that smoking in cars with children is to be banned and the associated provisions in the children and families bill that leave the door conveniently open for further restrictions down the line.

Today I see yet another article that states quitting has the same effect as taking anti-depressants... from an organisation that has established links to big pharma.

I have already seen it suggested in the mainstream media that a total ban on smoking in cars would be fully justified and even that a total ban on tobacco smoking is within reach.

The antis have always trodden quite lightly around the issue of an all out ban on tobacco, mainly because of the associated revenue income loss it would bring to some of their major financial backers (big government and big pharma). Now, however, the solution to that problem is at hand.. and quite literally, in our hands in the form of vaping devices.

The World Health Organisation have plans to push for vaping (or more precisely, e-liquids) to be classified as tobacco products and if these plans are successful, that opens the door for controls and punitive taxation to be applied to e-liquids (the one element of vaping that 'they' can conceivably have a measure of control over).

This would allow governments world wide to levy taxes in a similar range to tobacco cigarettes with impunity, whilst also maintaining a presumed position of being in the moral/ethical high ground. It would also allow organisations such as ASH to broaden their remit to legitimately include vaping.

I'm beginning to wonder if this is the real reason for the recent media onslaught of smoking related articles.

They don't have to pussy foot around a total ban on smoking anymore.. they can just ban it, shift the tax burden and the demonisation onto vapers, maintain the revenue income and also maintain the justification for the anti lobby to perpetuate their gravy train. The government also gets the added bonus of reaping the benefits of THR and (theoretically) less NHS expense on 'smoking related diseases'.

Big pharma and big tobacco get to keep their profits too, as they will both no doubt put forward devices for medical licensing that will subvert any heavy handed taxation, restrictions and regulation.

It's a win all round.. a solution that's full to the brim of win.. except for us that is.

We end being the ones getting fingers wagged at us again, looked down upon, demonised and taxed to the hilt for the privelige of vaping.

I did consider putting this in my jokey conspiracy theory thread, but of late, the more I see, the more I think this could well end up being conspiracy fact rather than conspiracy theory.

It's also why I've been quite vocal, possibly even rude on a few occasions lately, when the question of etiquette and vaping in public has been brought up. I publicly apologise here and now if I've offended anyone with my strong opinion, but I feel the motivation to voice opposition to meek acceptance of what I see as very real risks to our freedom as vapers and also to the risks of us becoming tomorrow's new acceptable targets for vilification, as being a valid justification.

I think I'm gonna need a bigger roll of tinfoil.
 
Personally I'm happy to take the fall if that was a work around. I'm happy to trade off the world looking down on me for a longer, happier and healthier life :)
 
i honestly cant see a worldwide ban on smoking, as much as it is a demonised habit there are far to many fingers in the smoking pie to generate a worldwide ban, you have to remember this will include not only cigarettes but pipes, hand rolling tobacco and cigars too. and though it may be pretty much taboo in alot of places it wouldnt surpsie me in the least that some of the fact cat politicians who are anti vaping are sitting in there private clibs puffing away on big ol cubans.
Plus the tobacco industry as a whole doesnt generate out of china and i cant see the american tobacco indutsry laying down there arms and quitting simply because they cannot and will not ever be able to compete with the chinese electronic market and that in effect will most likley be the biggest saving grace and the whole vaping /smkong issue could well be in part rescued ( for want of a better word) by the chinese becuase no matter how much money the industries in US and Europe ploguh into ecig devleopment they will never get the better of the chinese workplace
 
i honestly cant see a worldwide ban on smoking, as much as it is a demonised habit there are far to many fingers in the smoking pie to generate a worldwide ban, you have to remember this will include not only cigarettes but pipes, hand rolling tobacco and cigars too. and though it may be pretty much taboo in alot of places it wouldnt surpsie me in the least that some of the fact cat politicians who are anti vaping are sitting in there private clibs puffing away on big ol cubans.
Plus the tobacco industry as a whole doesnt generate out of china and i cant see the american tobacco indutsry laying down there arms and quitting simply because they cannot and will not ever be able to compete with the chinese electronic market and that in effect will most likley be the biggest saving grace and the whole vaping /smkong issue could well be in part rescued ( for want of a better word) by the chinese becuase no matter how much money the industries in US and Europe ploguh into ecig devleopment they will never get the better of the chinese workplace

If e-liquid gets classified as a tobacco product then the US tobacco industry won't need to lay down their arms. The tobacco growers will still have a market for their product, the cigarette/cigar makers will be able to protect profits by putting out medically licensed vaping devices and they get a 'get out of jail free card' by being seen to promote THR. Which is why the limits on nic strength etc for non licensed products have been inserted into article 18 imho... so that the likes of big tobacco/big pharma can put out stronger e-liquids and escape heavy taxation due to being licensed as a medicine.

I agree, a worldwide, total ban on smoking is definitely ambitious but the respective anti smoking groups only need it to become a reality at a national level to preserve their own respective national gravy train. From some of the articles I've seen lately, the antis are certainly pushing this as a possibility for the future (in the UK) and seem to be emboldened by the families and childrens bill amendments.
 
one thing your forgetting though is the directive is for the EU. chinese regulations on smoking and vaping im not aware of and the US seem to be a law until there own so even if there was a ban and the US market switched to medically produced eliquid the chinese manufacturering of liquid would still continue unabated and be available outside of the EU. also i cant see how they can ever regulate or ban flavour concentrates and unless they ban base nicotine ( wont happen as its used as a pharmacutecal already and has been for many years) then it will just mean a shift towards more and more DIY liquid juice makers.
yes it will be inconvenient and put many people out of buisness and no doubt kill millions of people who would have switched to vaping if such regulations didnt exist but i think the raw ingredients will still be available and can see it would be impossible to police vapers and do stop and tests on nic content in ecigs.
still as yet the fight isnt over and even if a ban or regulation is implemented even that can be overturned..all hope rests on Martin Schulz at the end of the day in having the final say and overturning the ruling
 
I agree with Ninga's post above…@steffijade. Not a rant at all, but an increasingly likely scenario, good on ya!
 
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