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I still don't understand why a rechargeable device like a Juul with click in pre-filled disposable pods wasn't disposable enough and simple enough already for any adult?

By all accounts they were effective and had good flavours, but they didn't take off like disposables, so what happened?

Honestly I just can't get my head around it, but something doesn't feel right.
 
I still don't understand why a rechargeable device like a Juul with click in pre-filled disposable pods wasn't disposable enough and simple enough already for any adult?

By all accounts they were effective and had good flavours, but they didn't take off like disposables, so what happened?

Honestly I just can't get my head around it, but something doesn't feel right.

They weren't as well known about and they also weren't so widely available and easy to find. The vast majority of disposable users want instant answers and they won't put any time into researching about vaping. Not when they are given a straighforward easy choice between buying a packet of fags or buying a disposable.
 
I'm just curious as to why you seem to have this innate fear against anything critical that gets said about nicotine.

It dosn't take a huge number of brain cells to figure out that the more poison you add to a liquid the closer you get to the more harmful levels. Since you can't say for sure what is in illegal vapes how can you be sure that the amount in them is safe, not to mention all the other harmful ingredients they may also contain? Then of course if a vape from an illegal source says 5% nicotine on the box does that mean people should trust that to be true.

i don’t have any fear about that at all. but it is true that 50mg liquid is no more harmful than 20mg, assuming one is using it as intended and not drinking large amounts of it.

it is important that people don’t read a thread like this and come away believing incorrect information posted, imo.
 
The quote was actually "At least 95% safer" from the studies that were done. It could well be 98 or 99% safer.

That doesn't mean that out of 100 people 4 or 5 might die from it. It's means the potential damage of breathing e-liquid into your lungs, might do 4% damage, rather than 100% damage.

So vaping for 50 years might have the potential to damage your lungs as much as smoking for 2 years, which really is negligible. That's the difference people need to realise. If you smoked for 5 years, you could vape for the next 100 and that's still only like smoking for 10 years in total. Given the fact I smoked for 30 it's really not even worth thinking about.

It's also been proven that inhaling e-liquid is less harmful than breathing in the air while stood next to a busy city road... and almost certainly stood next to a bonfire and many other things we don't even think about.

I expect riding in a massive group of 2-stroke scooters once a year is the equivalent of vaping for 20 years.

If it worries anyone, don't vape, wear a mask at all times and maybe live on top of a mountain or something.
In the example I was given a guy was asked not to vape in a restaurant dining room that had 2 open barbecues and a candle burning at every table, crazy
 
i don’t have any fear about that at all. but it is true that 50mg liquid is no more harmful than 20mg, assuming one is using it as intended and not drinking large amounts of it.

it is important that people don’t read a thread like this and come away believing incorrect information posted, imo.


I think it's better that we just agree to disagree and move on.
 
Said I'd report back on asking people using D's what they will do when they're banned, only asked 3 people so far :18: Two said they would buy a pod system/ AIO, the thrid said he would get his D's from street drug dealers, because, he said - "They're bound to be popular, so drugs dealers will sell them" :hmm: :doh:

As for vaping on or in hospitality settings where the businesses allow such a thing, if/ when labour get in they will ban it, no vaping where smoking is not allowed and I dare say they will try and ban smoking areas/ beer gardens as well.

when I (and you?) first started vaping there was very little choice for MTL tanks, it was all 3x cell mods, drippers and cloud tanks. There was very little kit that was suitable for people that were looking for a 'smoking-like' experience.

Not my experience, there was lots of stuff available: variously from 2012 onwards there were carto's, egos/ CE5's, isticks, nautilus (full size, then Mini), the Aspire K range and their BVC coils, even those disposable fag like things that glowed red on the end (Cigalikes). What didn't work very well were a large amount of RTAs (DTL and MTL), whether clones or authentic, even drippers were somewhat useless, bu those have never been the target audience for people who use D's, not then and not now.

Just trying to find 50/50 liquid in 12 or 18 was hard enough, I had to start a bloody thread because there was very little choice.

Liquid wise, I was buying TW Titan range and local independent vape shop eliquid at 60/40 from 2012 onwards. Nic wise i was on 36mg for a while and then variously down to 24mg-ish until tpd in 2016.

So vaping for 50 years might have the potential to damage your lungs as much as smoking for 2 years, which really is negligible.
I most certainly smoked a lot in my first two years of smoking, 30-35 unfiltered roll up's a day plus bonging all manner of cigars, I wouldn't say the damage was negligible.
 
I still don't understand why a rechargeable device like a Juul with click in pre-filled disposable pods wasn't disposable enough and simple enough already for any adult?

By all accounts they were effective and had good flavours, but they didn't take off like disposables, so what happened?

Honestly I just can't get my head around it, but something doesn't feel right.

I don't know either... ahead of their time maybe...colours were plain as far as I can remember....the distros not pushing them... Juul themselves limiting stockists..they were/are a serious disposable for adults....sitting on a shelf next to a neon green lost Mary and an Orange Elf the weans would overlook them.
 
As for vaping on or in hospitality settings where the businesses allow such a thing, if/ when labour get in they will ban it, no vaping where smoking is not allowed and I dare say they will try and ban smoking areas/ beer gardens as well.

That's pretty much the case already, you used to be able to vape in almost every pub in the town I go out in... now there is only 1 where it is allowed. There isn't a single cafe where you can any more. I think it's mainly because of pressure from other customers, who still think vaping is smoking. The days where it was one of the advantages of switching seem long gone. In 90% of cases no smoking means no vaping too, even when it's outside.

Not my experience, there was lots of stuff available: variously from 2012 onwards there were carto's, egos/ CE5's, isticks, nautilus (full size, then Mini), the Aspire K range and their BVC coils, even those disposable fag like things that glowed red on the end (Cigalikes). What didn't work very well were a large amount of RTAs (DTL and MTL), whether clones or authentic, even drippers were somewhat useless, bu those have never been the target audience for people who use D's, not then and not now.

Yeah, all that was pretty much over by the time I started, at least none of the shops had them, even the first nautilus I first bought was used on here. My local shops were full of Kangertech and we were well into the 'sub-tank' stage. Cleitos and all that ... My first kit was DTL with a 'MTL coil' and the wattage turned down, that was the most suitable thing they had. 6 months later and we were well into the 'wattage wars' for mods. You could find stuff if you looked but it wasn't the trend. Smok Alien kits were the trend.

Liquid wise, I was buying TW Titan range and local independent vape shop eliquid at 60/40 from 2012 onwards. Nic wise i was on 36mg for a while and then variously down to 24mg-ish until tpd in 2016.

Yeah, I started in 2016... the trend was higher VG (as high as possible) and then short fill after the TPD. The only thing 50/50 pre-made my local shops had was those cheap 'house brands' .... There was only Manabush, Digbys and a few others. It was a pretty bad time to start vaping on reflection. :D Without the forum it would have been pretty difficult to find anything.

A couple of years later the Zenith and all that Innokin 'Platform' series stuff came out, which was a response to there not being much MTL stuff around and kind of started a good time for MTL but there was a few years when it was really bleak. ... and that was when I started vaping, there was the high end stuff but regular production stuff was very slim pickings. [/QUOTE]


I most certainly smoked a lot in my first two years of smoking, 30-35 unfiltered roll up's a day plus bonging all manner of cigars, I wouldn't say the damage was negligible.

It probably would have been if you has stopped then, Your lungs would have had plenty of time to recover. I'm guessing like me you smoked for over 30 years though, which is like vaping continually for multiple lifetimes... which of course isn't even possible.

Personally it's low enough that I'm not even concerned. So that is negligible to me... I also enjoy a drink now and again, I like cake, I like sugar, I like riding a vespa at 70mph down a motorway.. I would absolutely be more concerned living in a smoggy city.

Seat belts don't make you even close to 95% safer in a car..... and they definitely don't make you 100% safe, but we still drive cars. I guess I don't really understand the issue. We are talking about something that will probably kill you in the end compared to something that is pretty unlikely to, what do people want? nothing is 100% 'safe' and we don't usually expect it to be.
 
I don't know either... ahead of their time maybe...colours were plain as far as I can remember....the distros not pushing them... Juul themselves limiting stockists..they were/are a serious disposable for adults....sitting on a shelf next to a neon green lost Mary and an Orange Elf the weans would overlook them.

yeah, a bit of it all maybe.... plus they were £20 not £2.

... and they were effectively banned when the TPD came in, until they relaunched with the 20mg version for the UK. I guess by that time it was kind of an old product and there was a lot of competition from other pods.
 
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