UK Gov To Ban Disposables?

[Toby iVapour]

I still don't understand why a rechargeable device like a Juul with click in pre-filled disposable pods wasn't disposable enough and simple enough already for any adult?
By all accounts they were effective and had good flavours, but they didn't take off like disposables, so what happened?

Juul did take off big time in the US in 2017 (also blamed for the "epidemic" of youth vaping there).
Juul became the most popular e-cigarette in the United States by the end of 2017 and had a market share of 72% as of September 2018.

The reason why Juul didn't take off in the UK was because they were puny and under-powered...
.. and with 20mg limit in the EU, you really needed 50mg in them for such an under-powered device.

 

[Toby iVapour]

Yeah, all that was pretty much over by the time I started, at least none of the shops had them, even the first nautilus I first bought was used on here. My local shops were full of Kangertech and we were well into the 'sub-tank' stage. Cleitos and all that ... My first kit was DTL with a 'MTL coil' and the wattage turned down, that was the most suitable thing they had. 6 months later and we were well into the 'wattage wars' for mods. You could find stuff if you looked but it wasn't the trend. Smok Alien kits were the trend.

Sounds like you had pretty shite local vape shops...
We have always mainly catered for MTL.. I would say the most we have ever had for cloud chasing was about a third of our customers...
Saying that, my favourite MTL tank a few years back (the Astral) was unavailable anywhere else.

 

[Toby iVapour]

Vaping safety message luring in children - expert
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66852503

I actually came across the expanded version of this article they showed on the News At Ten last night, and it was overwhelmingly negative...
From things like some guy saying his 13 yr old had been admitted to hospital for some lung condition "he thought was connected to vaping", and while being interviewed in a darkened room, he was talking about his "addicted son" like he was on crack or something...

To Prof Ann McNeil, one of the co-authors of the original 2015 report, being interviewed and being made to literally squirm in her chair about the "95% less harmful" tag.. something she then back-peddled on, saying "it is out of date"... (Huh?)

And the main guy ("expert") Dr Mike McKean, the way he said - "There are many children, young people who have taken up vaping who never intended to smoke and are now likely addicted to vaping. And I think it's absolutely shocking that we've allowed that to happen."
Well, for starters, where is your evidence that a significant proportion "never intended to smoke"...
.. and short of having prohibition in the form of some kind of extremely authoritarian totalitarian state, how would it have even been possible to stop some kids trying it? (whether shocking or not)

I tell you, more & more I simply think they have got it in for vaping (and vapers)...

 

[Simon G]

Sounds like you had pretty shite local vape shops...
We have always mainly catered for MTL.. I would say the most we have ever had for cloud chasing was about a third of our customers...
Saying that, my favourite MTL tank a few years back (the Astral) was unavailable anywhere else.

There was only a couple, the one I went to was the better of the two.

The other one was mainly those huge wismec things that were all the rage.

 

[Rickster]

I actually came across the expanded version of this article they showed on the News At Ten last night, and it was overwhelmingly negative...
From things like some guy saying his 13 yr old had been admitted to hospital for some lung condition "he thought was connected to vaping", and while being interviewed in a darkened room, he was talking about his "addicted son" like he was on crack or something...

To Prof Ann McNeil, one of the co-authors of the original 2015 report, being interviewed and being made to literally squirm in her chair about the "95% less harmful" tag.. something she then back-peddled on, saying "it is out of date"... (Huh?)

And the main guy ("expert") Dr Mike McKean, the way he said - "There are many children, young people who have taken up vaping who never intended to smoke and are now likely addicted to vaping. And I think it's absolutely shocking that we've allowed that to happen."
Well, for starters, where is your evidence that a significant proportion "never intended to smoke"...
.. and short of having prohibition in the form of some kind of extremely authoritarian totalitarian state, how would it have even been possible to stop some kids trying it? (whether shocking or not)

I tell you, more & more I simply think they have got it in for vaping (and vapers)...

It's pretty clear they won't stop at disposables....they weren't that happy with vaping before them

 

[Toby iVapour]

It's pretty clear they won't stop at disposables....they weren't that happy with vaping before them

Well also, because banning disposables simply will not stop underage vaping.
How far are they gonna go, I wonder?

 

[zouzounaki]

And the main guy ("expert") Dr Mike McKean, the way he said - "There are many children, young people who have taken up vaping who never intended to smoke and are now likely addicted to vaping. And I think it's absolutely shocking that we've allowed that to happen."
Well, for starters, where is your evidence that a significant proportion "never intended to smoke"...

his evidence is likely to be the ever downward trend of smoking in youngsters for decades. if we conflate smoking and vaping on the same graph, you will see an increase in recent years. very few youngsters smoke these days, it’s not popular.

i don’t doubt the program was negative, but it’s hardly going to be positive given the subject matter. i think one needs to try and take an objective view of this stuff.

 

[zouzounaki]

It's pretty clear they won't stop at disposables....they weren't that happy with vaping before them

do you mean the bbc or the government? if the government, i would disagree. i highly doubt any other vape stuff will be banned, cartoon/kid friendly graphic liquids maybe but even then i don’t think so.

 

[Simon G]

do you mean the bbc or the government? if the government, i would disagree. i highly doubt any other vape stuff will be banned, cartoon/kid friendly graphic liquids maybe but even then i don’t think so.

'More regulations' I think will be the conclusion..... which were always coming once the cheap disposables thing happened. They will still support 'vaping for smokers' and we'll make some adjustments and carry on, like we did after the TPD.

Go back and read the threads, people were saying the 2ml tank rule was going to stop people vaping, the 20mg rule was going to prevent people quitting smoking... it was the end of the world because of the 10ml bottle rule. DIY mixing was going to be impossible.

I get that people don't want the government stepping in with more and more regulations, I don't either but if manufacturers keep pushing in directions that look sketchy and irresponsible, then we'll get more and more of them. We avoided the flavour ban with good argument, but I can see that coming again and I think there will be a less solid defense this time- post disposables.

 

[Rickster]

do you mean the bbc or the government? if the government, i would disagree. i highly doubt any other vape stuff will be banned, cartoon/kid friendly graphic liquids maybe but even then i don’t think so.

Both, there will be many more campaigns to ban vape related stuff....once that door has opened