Vaping on BBC3

[vapervince]

I've been thinking about at least 1 or 2 petitions that can/need to be put to Parliament to do with vaping, and thinking about doing it, but I wouldn't want to detract from the existing flavour ban petition...

I agree that the flavours ban is a noxious plan, it will in my opinion, be a bigger influence on vaping than any proposed tax.

 

[Toby iVapour]

Who is Clive Bates? He must be a very brave man if he is willing to go onto national tv and argue a point for which there is no proof either way.

Former director of ASH -

About - The Counterfactual

About The is the advocacy site for me, Clive Bates. I have worked in the private, public and not-for-profit sectors. […]

clivebates.com

I have no idea whether he would be interested in doing something like that or not (but I suspect he would given the chance), but he is someone who is more than informed enough, eloquent, and articulate, in order to be able to do something like that to set the record straight about tobacco harm reduction.

 

[MarylinC37]

I've been using nicotine for 50 years but when I started vaping in 2013 it worked immediately and I've never smoked since.

 

[Toby iVapour]

Former director of ASH -

About - The Counterfactual

About The is the advocacy site for me, Clive Bates. I have worked in the private, public and not-for-profit sectors. […]

clivebates.com

I have no idea whether he would be interested in doing something like that or not (but I suspect he would given the chance), but he is someone who is more than informed enough, eloquent, and articulate, in order to be able to do something like that to set the record straight about tobacco harm reduction.

Check out his response to the tobacco & vapes Bill consultation -

UK smoking and vaping policy consultation - my final response - The Counterfactual

The government is consulting on proposals for a smokefree generation and restrictions designed to tackle youth vaping, including bans on flavours and disposable vapes – I am sharing my draft consultation responses for information and input

clivebates.com

e.g. I have never seen this kind of opinion expressed in the mainstream press -

In all cases, the welfare of adult smokers, often experiencing socioeconomic or other forms of disadvantage, has been ignored or downgraded. Yet this is the main at-risk population and where the greatest gains can be made. Most of the limited policy appraisal presented ignores the most important sub-population. The combined population of adult vapers and smokers is about sixteen times greater than the equivalent youth population. The government should have a single-minded public health focus on the main problem: adult smoking, and treat youth vaping as a manageable side effect of addressing the central public health problem.

The concerns about youth vaping are based on a naive model of youth risk behaviours and ignore the counterfactual in which some young people who vape would otherwise be smoking. Even among those who would not otherwise have smoked, relatively minor harms arise from vaping among youth – and their use is likely to be experimental, infrequent and transient, and vaping just isn’t that dangerous. Few, if any, will die as a result of their nicotine use, even if it persists for decades, which most will not. In contrast, relatively significant harms are avoided by youth diverted from smoking by vaping. No allowance is made for this latter pathway, which has much greater public health significance.

 

[vapervince]

Former director of ASH -

About - The Counterfactual

About The is the advocacy site for me, Clive Bates. I have worked in the private, public and not-for-profit sectors. […]

clivebates.com

I have no idea whether he would be interested in doing something like that or not (but I suspect he would given the chance), but he is someone who is more than informed enough, eloquent, and articulate, in order to be able to do something like that to set the record straight about tobacco harm reduction.

set the record straight about tobacco harm reduction.
This phrase will have a different meaning to a vaper than it will to the WHO. My point is that he would need to know what the record is in order to present an argument to set it straight.

 

[Toby iVapour]

set the record straight about tobacco harm reduction.
This phrase will have a different meaning to a vaper than it will to the WHO.

Err yes, he wouldn't lie about it (like the WHO do).

On tobacco policy and, worse, on tobacco harm reduction the WHO has terrible form:

• Fake news alert: WHO updates its post-truth fact sheet on e-cigarettes
• Prohibitionists at work: how the WHO damages public health through hostility to tobacco harm reduction
• One hundred specialists call for WHO to change its hostile stance on tobacco harm reduction – new letter to FCTC delegates published
• Letter: WHO must urgently reassess its tobacco & nicotine policy and stop causing harm
• WHO has gone rogue on tobacco policy – millions at risk from tired dogma and a refusal to grasp innovation
• International experts in tobacco policy say WHO is blocking innovation and wasting opportunities to save millions of lives
• World Health Organisation fails at science and fails at propaganda – the sad case of WHO’s anti-vaping Q&A
• Leaked papers: WHO to intensify its pointless and destructive war against innovation – expect many dead
• Over 70 experts call on WHO to embrace technology innovation in the fight against diseases caused by smoking
• WHO’s anti-vaping scientific castle of cards toppled
• Who or what is the World Health Organisation at war with?

The above bullet points are all links to Clive Bates' many articles of the shameful antics of the WHO concerning THR, and are shown in a recent article of his -
World Health Organisation exploits tobacco farmers, the hungry, sick and poor in its crude activism
https://clivebates.com/world-health...e-hungry-sick-and-poor-in-its-crude-activism/

 

[dansus]

Who is Clive Bates? He must be a very brave man if he is willing to go onto national tv and argue a point for which there is no proof either way.

Too verbose for me, but he pops up all over the shop advocating for harm reduction.

UK to ban disposable vapes, restrict flavours and do more stupid stuff - The Counterfactual

The UK government has decided it will ban disposable vapes and suggests it will ban vape flavours. This will trigger more smoking, more illicit trade and more workarounds. The problem of youth vaping is a non-problem and the government is reacting to a moral panic it doesn't understand.

clivebates.com

 

[vapervince]

Err yes, he wouldn't lie about it (like the WHO do).

I wasn`t inferring dishonesty, rather the ambiguity that exists all through vaping.

 

[Netvaper]

Watched it and it was obvious from the start it wasn't going to do vaping any favours and it didn't. It was focused on underage age vaping and illegal vape products so it should have been called the 'Truth About Illegal Vaping'. It completely ignored the fact vaping is the most successful method of giving up smoking and that smoking, unlike vaping, has been proven to be seriously damaging to your health.

Sadly it is apparent smokers who have given up through vaping are being completely sidelined and ignored and those who could still give up are confronted with the anti-vaping agenda this programme, others and the WHO are peddling.

 

[Toby iVapour]

And now we have the article (promoting the program) -

Jordan North: How safe is vaping for my health?

To get off cigarettes, presenter Jordan North began using vapes, but then worried how harmful they might be.

www.bbc.co.uk

I hate to admit it, but I started smoking when I was 16.

Oh, you should be ashamed of yourself!