Weight of VG?

[Badboybez]

@Leni @Rickster @StrawberryRipple @RAPTOREX @Richard Winter

Hi all, sorry to have slightly derailed the thread with my sense of humour.
I was going to add to / clarify the discussion on weight / volume / temperature a few days ago, but ended up in hospital again instead.

As RAPTOREX said,

"Volume increases with heat, mass remains constant, as you say.
VG is said to be 1.27g per ml, and PG 1.04 per ml. Both at room temperature.
But I'll bet you get 100 different answers."

The reason for this is the SI system of measurement.
This gives a density (mass) value for water of 1000 Kilo's for 1 Cubic Metre.
So water has a density value of 1
The density (mass) value for all other materials is given as a plus or minus decimal deviation compared to water.

So for example, when I was working in the polythene industry many years ago, two of the polymers we used had density values of LD=0.95 and HD=0.98

So a Cubic Metre of LD weighed 950 Kilos, and for HD the weight was 980 Kilos.
Hence why polythene floats in water.

As to the volume of a material depending on the temperature, I cant think what the temperature of the the original spec for water (and all other materials) is valid at, as someone said earlier I would have thought it would be 20 point something, as that is used for a lot of calibration figures.

Regarding mixing vape juice materials I don't think if you had a recipe that was based on volume, and then you wanted to use it by weight, I think the difference would not be noticeable.
The main thing to bear in mind would be, say you keep your nic in the fridge, or freezer, your concentrates in a cupboard somewhere else, and your VG & PG in yet another place put them all together in the same place overnight so that when you make a mix the next day they are all the same temperature.
This would be applicable to both weight, and volume mixing.

Oh, and of course if you are going to warm your VG up to say 25 degrees to make it easier to pour, then warm up all the materials for your mix up to 25 degrees.

But you would have to be making huge mixes (industrial scale) to notice any difference from one mix to another using the same recipe.

 

[zouzounaki]

Yes I have asked you previously, but that is because I am always concerned about my friends.

I’m grateful for your concern but be please assured you can set your mind at ease.

 

[Richard Winter]

I have no doubt that there may be something in what you are saying, but I'm not sure that's the whole reason.

I don't pay for medication, as a couple of the illnesses that I have make me exempt.

But that does not mean that I relish every time I get my carrier bag of meds each month, and carrier bag is not an exageration !
I'm sick & tired of taking 34 tablets a day, and 2 to 4 injections a day.

Also down here when you are exempt from charges down here, it does not cover everything, for example two to three years ago all of my teeth except four at the back fell out, or broke off due to a massive calcium deficiency, So over the last few years I have had to shell out in the region of £1000 to have the snapped ones removed, and a set of dentures made, because the NHS won't pay the bill because they class it as "cosmetic treatment"

My biggest beef though about the NHS, and exempt prescription fees is this.
One of the illnesses that makes me exempt from prescription fees is that I am Insulin Dependent Diabetic because my Pancreas packed up 15 years ago.
A few years ago when Theresa May was PM there was public outrage over the fact that she was using a constant sampling blood sugar monitor, and a micro insulin injector, after a while the furor died down when the NHS said they would make it a matter for each health authority's discretion, another furor then kicked off because it then made it into a postcode decision, so it would depend on where you lived. Now to get rid of that situation you can request one via your GP, however they will only be issued to Type 1 Diabetics, not Type 2 diabetics. So, even though my sugar level has to be controlled by insulin, with the possibility of me dropping into a coma if it gets to low, I cannot request a constant monitor, as my diabetes is classed as Type 2, not type one !
What a load of cock, either you are Insulin dependent, or you are not, simple enough !

Okay, rant over.

Rant away mate. Sorry to hear about the issues your having.

 

[Richard Winter]

@Leni @Rickster @StrawberryRipple @RAPTOREX @Richard Winter

Hi all, sorry to have slightly derailed the thread with my sense of humour.
I was going to add to / clarify the discussion on weight / volume / temperature a few days ago, but ended up in hospital again instead.

As RAPTOREX said,

"Volume increases with heat, mass remains constant, as you say.
VG is said to be 1.27g per ml, and PG 1.04 per ml. Both at room temperature.
But I'll bet you get 100 different answers."

The reason for this is the SI system of measurement.
This gives a density (mass) value for water of 1000 Kilo's for 1 Cubic Metre.
So water has a density value of 1
The density (mass) value for all other materials is given as a plus or minus decimal deviation compared to water.

So for example, when I was working in the polythene industry many years ago, two of the polymers we used had density values of LD=0.95 and HD=0.98

So a Cubic Metre of LD weighed 950 Kilos, and for HD the weight was 980 Kilos.
Hence why polythene floats in water.

As to the volume of a material depending on the temperature, I cant think what the temperature of the the original spec for water (and all other materials) is valid at, as someone said earlier I would have thought it would be 20 point something, as that is used for a lot of calibration figures.

Regarding mixing vape juice materials I don't think if you had a recipe that was based on volume, and then you wanted to use it by weight, I think the difference would not be noticeable.
The main thing to bear in mind would be, say you keep your nic in the fridge, or freezer, your concentrates in a cupboard somewhere else, and your VG & PG in yet another place put them all together in the same place overnight so that when you make a mix the next day they are all the same temperature.
This would be applicable to both weight, and volume mixing.

Oh, and of course if you are going to warm your VG up to say 25 degrees to make it easier to pour, then warm up all the materials for your mix up to 25 degrees.

But you would have to be making huge mixes (industrial scale) to notice any difference from one mix to another using the same recipe.

No need to apologise mate, happens all the time lol. Makes it interesting.
Thanks for the explanation.
Hope your feeling a bit better after your hospital visit.

 

[zouzounaki]

Bez is well known for his endearing serial late night derailments. That’s why we love him.

 

[Rickster]

I have no doubt that there may be something in what you are saying, but I'm not sure that's the whole reason.

I don't pay for medication, as a couple of the illnesses that I have make me exempt.

But that does not mean that I relish every time I get my carrier bag of meds each month, and carrier bag is not an exageration !
I'm sick & tired of taking 34 tablets a day, and 2 to 4 injections a day.

Also down here when you are exempt from charges down here, it does not cover everything, for example two to three years ago all of my teeth except four at the back fell out, or broke off due to a massive calcium deficiency, So over the last few years I have had to shell out in the region of £1000 to have the snapped ones removed, and a set of dentures made, because the NHS won't pay the bill because they class it as "cosmetic treatment"

My biggest beef though about the NHS, and exempt prescription fees is this.
One of the illnesses that makes me exempt from prescription fees is that I am Insulin Dependent Diabetic because my Pancreas packed up 15 years ago.
A few years ago when Theresa May was PM there was public outrage over the fact that she was using a constant sampling blood sugar monitor, and a micro insulin injector, after a while the furor died down when the NHS said they would make it a matter for each health authority's discretion, another furor then kicked off because it then made it into a postcode decision, so it would depend on where you lived. Now to get rid of that situation you can request one via your GP, however they will only be issued to Type 1 Diabetics, not Type 2 diabetics. So, even though my sugar level has to be controlled by insulin, with the possibility of me dropping into a coma if it gets to low, I cannot request a constant monitor, as my diabetes is classed as Type 2, not type one !
What a load of cock, either you are Insulin dependent, or you are not, simple enough !

Okay, rant over.

Rant away fella, it's justified, you take care.

 

[Badboybez]

I’m grateful for your concern but be please assured you can set your mind at ease.

My mind is always at ease friend.

Whilst yours always seems troubled young man.

You should try to relax more.

 

[Badboybez]

Bez is well known for his endearing serial late night derailments. That’s why we love him.

Well, late nights, thats a relative thing, isn't it, whats late at night to some, is evening to others.
I mean, I find it quite strange that you get up at god knows what time, when it's still dark.

I suppose at times I used to work various shift patterns.
7 till 7, nights and days.
6 till 2, 2 till 10, and 10 till 6.
2 till 10 permanent late shift.
Then with all the foreign work, getting on, and off planes at weird times of the day, and night.

Now of course, although I am technically still employed I am more "a gentleman of leisure"
So I rarely set an alarm, I use the theory of....
When I wake up, I get up, when I'm hungry, I eat, when I'm thirsty, I have a beer, and when I'm tired, I go to bed.
Plus it's nice to know you will have something to read, and possibly seethe over, whilst you have your breakfast.

As to derailing threads, it is good on occasion to inject some humour to brighten peoples lives now, and again, helps people to relax, like I have been saying to you, relax more mate, it will lessen your stress levels.
Of course there are times when you think I am derailing a thread simply because I disagree with you, and argue my case, you really should not take umbrage, everyone has a right to their own opinion.

So take a chill pill, as they say, and have a lie in, or a late night now, and again, you will feel better for it.

Must be of to bed soon, feeling a tad snoozy now.

 

[zouzounaki]

My mind is always

troubled

Try not to worry too much.

 

[Richard Winter]

Try not to worry too much.

I think your heading for trouble lol. Youve fiddled with @Badboybez's message.
Im going to hide behind a rock and watch the sparks fly