Not tried the dragons rise milk but won't be anything like element crema. Milk juices are very different nice in their own way but different. Not seen a budget clone of element crema. Have a diy clone steeping that I have high hopes for cos element is too pricey but it is bloody gorgeous :-)Is milkmans milk meant to be like cream??currently vaping element crema but its 20ml for £10 this could be a cheaper alternative