E-cigarettes: an evidence review. Public Health England

[Mark]

Moved to In the News section

 

[edify]

I do like this bit on page 30:

For those still using EC from the same survey, only 5% were now mostly using a
disposable, 26% a rechargeable with replaceable pre-filled cartridges and 66%
rechargeable with tank/reservoir filled with liquids (2% didn’t know/couldn’t remember).
This suggests that a considerable proportion of those who continue to use EC
over time switch to the tank models. Among EC users, ex-smokers were particularly
likely to use tank models mostly and very few ex-smokers were using disposables
(Figure 3). This is in agreement with findings reported in Chapter 6 of this report, where
tank models were found to be associated with having quit smoking [16].

I know it's contrary to the leakproof, sealed system bollocks from the TPD, but at least they're aware of the fact that vaping wouldn't be even half as successful as it is if it wasn't for tanks and drippers.

 

[pipedreamsuk]

So it looks like the future of vaping is the option of:

NHS prescribed Ecigs, which have been granted the relevant licence. At the moment, only one product (VOKE) has the licence. This is the same product back or 'marketed' by BAT (British American Tobacco)

OR

The new leakproof, all singing and dancing, bulletproof tank system. Now who was it that was making that one????

 

[Gonloopy]

Im just getting a little frustrated with the reporting of this. This is about vaping being 95% safer than smoking, and about medics being able to say 'consider vaping' with confidence as a viable safe option.-its not about getting ecigs on prescription

Its just being twisted as per usual.

 

[bijou]

Already said this elsewhere this morning, but I might as well repeat myself here: I'm uneasy about the inclusion of of the "with support of smoking cessation services" qualifier. Very cheeky, that. ...

They have to justify their jobs somehow, dear.

 

[scrumpox]

All looks good to me ... sounds like ears are open and that the UK Govt is very sensibly going to cut through the TPD and implement lightly.
A tiny voice of optimism inside even suggests they might indeed throw out the inclusion of e-cigs altogether. That being the only logical, evidence-based and legally compliant option available.

If you've posted here make sure that YOU have sent in YOUR questionnaire response.

 

[vapinshith0use]

Lovely jubly. But not so lovely when the big tax hike hits!! Least we not guna get nicked for blowing a few clouds anytime soon!!

 

[Mark]

Im just getting a little frustrated with the reporting of this. This is about vaping being 95% safer than smoking, and about medics being able to say 'consider vaping' with confidence as a viable safe option.-its not about getting ecigs on prescription

Its just being twisted as per usual.

Agreed though this bit ' PHE looks forward to the arrival on the market of a choice of medicinally regulated products that can be made
available to smokers by the NHS on prescription' was bound to gain traction in the media

Ive just caught the tail end of a Gerry Stimson interview (hopefully repeated in later BBC news bulletins) in which he explains why this would NOT be a great idea. A good watch if you can catch it

 

[Gonloopy]

Agreed though this bit ' PHE looks forward to the arrival on the market of a choice of medicinally regulated products that can be made
available to smokers by the NHS on prescription'was bound to gain traction in the media

Ive just caught the tail end of a Gerry Stimson interview (hopefully repeated in later BBC news bulletins) in which he explains why this would NOT be a great idea. A good watch if you can catch it

Ta, will watch out for it, just had to nip out earlier so missed the evening news items

 

[strickenbiged]

Some of the "comments" on the various news sites that are reporting this are incredible, and smack of an inability to think.

People railing against smokers and having to pay (via taxes) to help them quit... as if we haven't been doing it for years albeit with less effective NRT products.

People forgetting that the point is not, in and of itself, to get them to quit but to reduce the cost to the country in terms of NHS expenses when smokers get smoking related diseases and the costs of losing contributing members of society to smoking related diseases.

People asking whether the NHS should prescribe watered down beer to help you get off normal beer... as if this was in some way analogous?

The main reaction seems to be a revulsion to anything that resembles smoking and/or addiction. As if it were the physical activity or the dependency itself that caused disease, etc.

Some people are frigging morons. I despair that these people vote sometimes.

The solutions? Talk to the non-vapers in your life. Explain the issues to them. Have a "philosophical" discussion about addiction. If someone asks you to stop vaping near them, ask them why, what are they afraid of, what do they think will happen?

Only with, at a minimum, understanding from the non-vaping, non-smoking majority of people are we going to be able to retain the liberal, diverse and exciting industry that we know and love.

^Turned into a longer post than I thought when I got started. Sorry if it should have gone elsewhere on the forums. I'm still learning my way around.