EFVI not allowed at Vapefest 2014

[Holy Smokes]

I tell you one thing, theres a lot of trolls wading in with the 'If EFVI aren't allowed then I'm not going either!!!!' ...

When in reality they had no intention of going anyway.

God bless the internet, and all the keyboard warriors who sail on her ...

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[madpiano]

Have you any evidence that proves EFVI are acting in this manner?

Also it strikes me that no one certainly from this thread, has tried to persuade any one to cast any allegiance. Those that have said they will not be attending have stated that's their choice, and have respected others when they have maintained the fact that they will still be attending. I think that you should grant them with the same respect, rather than demonising those that have different opinions from your own..

Maybe I missed it? But I haven't seen any insults thrown at vendors attending VF here either.


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No not on this thread. Members here are very well behaved. It didn't even reach what we call a heated discussion in Germany here. Which I am mightily impressed by. Mainly confused head scratching as to why the organisers would refuse a table to them with some assumptions that vendors are not allowed to inform and collect signatures. (No one said that by the way. Just that flyers are not allowed - but for completely other reasons). Neither are attendees forbidden from promoting and asking for signatures.
But the other forum, twitter and FB are different. It has gone out of control. I am not even sure anymore who represents who and who belongs where...

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[Fleabag]

Though nothing was definite, I'd pursuaded the non-vaping Mr Fleabag that a weekend of camping & beer was his cup of tea, so my attendance was fairly secure.
I can't bring myself to support an event that is taking direct action to sabotage the success of the EFVI.
Different people have different ways of approaching the issues they care about, and I'm pleased some will be there fighting the EFVI cause in whatever small way they can, because that's how they address the injustice. I choose my way.
Maybe we'll have to hire a field sometime and have a POTV jamboree

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[AndyC1971]

I tell you one thing, theres a lot of trolls wading in with the 'If EFVI aren't allowed then I'm not going either!!!!' ...

When in reality they had no intention of going anyway.

God bless the internet, and all the keyboard warriors who sail on her ...

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That works for 'both sides' I am afraid, and the biggest warrior I saw when this was kicking off were those from apparently the head man himself!

To exude that type of attitude, sadly there was going to be a backlash. I know of at least a handful of people that WERE going, who have now decided against it, and I am gutted that they feel like that, but can totally understand their reason, for this alone the excitement of meeting some people that I have come to respect and call friends, has taken some tarnish off of the day. Others are going, but wont spend any money on vaping gear, and if it was not for this awesome forum, then I would probably stick my fingers up as well. This is from someone who has regularly done 400 mile round trips in one day to attend vapemeets.

If a statement had been made, where answers were clear and concise to peoples concerns, then I really do believe that it would not of come to this. I do NOT advocate any bullying and harrasment of vendors, because there are people that are stuck in the middle.

I do NOT think for one minute that the organisers expected such an emotional and strong backlash to this, and thus handled it completely unprofessionally and pathetically.

Now I have already said, the decision for me will be one of what apparel I wear, and that will be down to the decision of the organisers, because I really wont stand back, we have a right to do everything in our power to defend our right to vape, not only now, but for future generations to come.

There are definitely two camps of people divided as to who is to blame, I have my opinions, but just hope that a amicable resolution can be found, so we can get back to looking forward to what should be the flagship UK event of the year.

 

[KulrMeStoopid]

well, interesting night for those that don't know a couple of comments from the horses mouth last night and this morning, so f you have a room booked lets hope you don't need to cancel it, I wonder if Gordon expected this after he spat his dummy out and made that thread last night on UKV eh

sad very sad IMO of gordon

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At the moment I'm looking into cancelling VF as is, refunding the backer, vendors. Vendors have 14 days distance selling to get their public liability refunded.

Likelihood?

I could restart it and ticket it to those attending and limit it. (could be interesting)

I'd rather not, but I'm not being held over a barrel by anyone.

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Gordon Alan Beard wants a stall, now nothing will do unless that's conceded.

If it was just me taking the flack all would be well, trouble is vendors are getting flack and pulling out as efvi contact them.

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I was asked if they could attend, I essentially said no (the quote they've used is at least accurate)

the response I had was "ok Ric, I had to ask"

That is a far as it went before Gordon posted.

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well I've just spent the past hour on the phone.

Wine circle ppl are severely pissed off that I'm upset. (wine circle is
not nearly as pretentious as it sounds)

Here's how it is.

Tomorrow (when I'm sober) I will send out an email to vendors interested in attending as is.

Depending on response I may cancel VF as is.

If need be I'll rearrange it as a ticketed event with no vendors, or vendors which would be kept private.

I'm too young for this shit!

EFVI never contacted anyone aside from Fiona and Ric, no vendors were emailed by anyone from EFVI, the VF committee was also made aware of this last night. It was individual people who were pissed off at their decision. That is a out right lie if they are telling people that EFVI was emailing vendors. EFVI can not be held responsible for individuals being pissed off at the VF's decision and then to blame EFVI is ridiculous.


It wasn't Gordon who emailed them to ask for the stall either.

 

[MrTeaTime]

i want a tee shirt, with first and foremost "planet of the vapes" in massive fuck off writing on, in white, or even better fuckoffneon so everyone knows who we are, and what we stand for....i also want my user name, in not so big fuckoff writing, then I support EFVI on the back in big fuckoff writing.....

so, in conclusion, POTV front of tee in big fuckoff text, and EFVI on the back in bigfuckoff text

is there a font called bigfuckoff? if not, then ive just invented it

#bigfuckofftext

 

[KulrMeStoopid]

I am appalled by the attitude of EFVI UK. Putting pressure on vendors and rallying visitors screams political party at me. The way this whole thing has gone on with name calling and increasing demands without the willingness to compromise is absolutely atrocious and I am starting to wonder if I can remove my signature as I don't want to be associated with this kind of thing. And I also understand the organisers now, as this is exactly the kind of thing they didn't want. A political pressure party. That is exactly how EFVI is coming across now.
The whole "they are banned from having a stall so I am not going" attitude with it's superior moral stance is crazy. Now vendors that want to attend are called "money-grabbing idiots" and worse. Sorry? And you trust these people to sit quietly at a table in the corner and not force people to sign??? I wouldn't...

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First the claims that is EFVI putting pressure on vendors is a lie. Its the individual people who are angry with VF that are reacting, not EFVI.

EFVI has never said they were banned, just not allowed to have a table to hand out leaflets.

 

[KulrMeStoopid]

i want a tee shirt, with first and foremost "planet of the vapes" in massive fuck off writing on, in white, or even better fuckoffneon so everyone knows who we are, and what we stand for....i also want my user name, in not so big fuckoff writing, then I support EFVI on the back in big fuckoff writing.....

so, in conclusion, POTV front of tee in big fuckoff text, and EFVI on the back in bigfuckoff text

is there a font called bigfuckoff? if not, then ive just invented it

#bigfuckofftext

I am sure we can come up with something!

 

[MrTeaTime]

I am sure we can come up with something!

make sure i get credit for the use of #bigfuckoff text

 

[Carlos]

EFVI never contacted anyone aside from Fiona and Ric, no vendors were emailed by anyone from EFVI, the VF committee was also made aware of this last night. It was individual people who were pissed off at their decision. That is a out right lie if they are telling people that EFVI was emailing vendors. EFVI can not be held responsible for individuals being pissed off at the VF's decision and then to blame EFVI is ridiculous.


It wasn't Gordon who emailed them to ask for the stall either.

Those are Rics comments Meg, don't shoot a messenger