Ninjaassasin1983
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Ah ane ae they bawbags ah see ah see
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EFVI not allowed at Vapefest 2014
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Ah ane ae they bawbags ah see ah see
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Ninjaassasin1983
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He just has one. Very long history in the online community. Best advice? Pay him no mindHis words dont actually speak anything
I noticed that bit of a bawjaws really
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vereybowring
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I don't post much on forums since there are so many these days but I do try and keep up with whats going on.
The whole Vapefest/EFVI thing has got totally out of hand very quickly as militant elements from all sides stick a boot in.
Vapefest is about vapers enjoying vaping and getting to see vendors and other vapers they do not see in person very often or if at all.
EFVI is about supporting a push to get the EU to listen to vapers.
People refusing to attend/pulling out over a single stall is unproductive and hurts the vaping community.
Yes a stall might be nice but is hardly the end of the world. As long as there a vapers and vendors present with EFVI logos and ready to talk about and sign people up the message can be spread.
While I agree it is short sighted to not allow a stall for EFVI jumping straight to the dramatic and militant reaction achieves nothing constructive. There have been ill considered talk on both sides and its only notable achievement is putting people off going to an event they had been looking forward to just for the cause of personal egos while shouting about it being about all vapers.
None of you speak for me for a start.
Now I just have to get back about moping that my personal circumstances mean I can't attend in any case and possibly never will.
The whole Vapefest/EFVI thing has got totally out of hand very quickly as militant elements from all sides stick a boot in.
Vapefest is about vapers enjoying vaping and getting to see vendors and other vapers they do not see in person very often or if at all.
EFVI is about supporting a push to get the EU to listen to vapers.
People refusing to attend/pulling out over a single stall is unproductive and hurts the vaping community.
Yes a stall might be nice but is hardly the end of the world. As long as there a vapers and vendors present with EFVI logos and ready to talk about and sign people up the message can be spread.
While I agree it is short sighted to not allow a stall for EFVI jumping straight to the dramatic and militant reaction achieves nothing constructive. There have been ill considered talk on both sides and its only notable achievement is putting people off going to an event they had been looking forward to just for the cause of personal egos while shouting about it being about all vapers.
None of you speak for me for a start.
Now I just have to get back about moping that my personal circumstances mean I can't attend in any case and possibly never will.
steffijade
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Seems like there is a very easy solution to that problem.
If certain people valued an actual solution rather than entrenching themselves to prove a point and/or feed their own egos then this wouldn't even have become an issue.
Szaxe
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The problem is now, after a public slagging match, the damage is done to both Parties, regardless of what happens now.... Why wasn't this done in private ????
steffijade
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The opportunity to plump egos was too strong to resist perhaps?
Whatever the reason, it's put me off attending.
m0th
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now i know i definitely joined the right vaping forum. kudos to you guys who are also on the other forum for keeping your cool and not getting dragged into it. i was supposed to be going out tonight but i got sucked right into this whole debate. it got me to sign the efvi thing anyway. that thread on the other forum was fucking hilarious by the way.
Wayne
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Ashamed of my fellow apes!
I'm somewhat confused about all this!. I thought Vapefest was a Commercial venture designed to allow Vapers, Modders, Vendors and Juice makers from all over the UK a place to mee,t learn about new gear and juices and generally have a good time. I for one am highly dissapointed by the extremely militant attitude displayed by some members of this forum.
For my own peace of mind and to bring a little clarity, Can any one inform me as to exactly who it is that is being prevented from having a stand at this event - is it EFVI.eu or is it EFVI-UK, and is it as it appears that EFVI-UK are a seperate and distinct organisation?
Now can that person tell me EXACTLY why the organisation is not being allowed to attend?
Whatever the answers to the above questions, the outbursts, mud slinging, threats, calls for boycott and people rushing to say I'm not going all seem a bit premature.
As you can see I don't seem to be in possesion of all the facts and I doubt very much that most others are aware of the full picture either, Please everyone calm down, take a breather and allow the interested parties to work things out.
VF-2014 Organisers are by now aware of public opinion, as are other interested parties, let them talk...
I will be attending Vapefest regardless, I want to meet the rest of my fellow apes, and generally have a good time. The chance to see some shiny stuff, meet vendors Like Mr Kraken, Plumeblu and Shmovapes and taste some new juices is Icing on the cake.
It's also my opinion however unpopular it may be, that an EFVI.eu "stall" would do exactly that- stall, those of us who have signed up and are aware of EFVI.eu would not need to visit it, those who just wandeer in for a look round would probably be disinclined to vissit it as there would be no "Shinies" or "Interesting stuff". A far better and more effective route is for Vendors to promote EFVI.eu on their stall. I for one am more likely to ignore a Vendors stall without EFVI.eu Logo's as partly it shows a lack of interest in the vaping community and partly it shows a certain amount of "Grab it while you can - then run off to the next thing" mentality.
I also think it far more likely for people to sign up for the EFVI.eu after they've had an interesting chat with a vendor than if they wander over to a stall full of leaflets and get talked at for 2 minutes...
So please my fellow apes, Let's call a halt to this rampaging mob mentality, take a breath and let's get back the friendliness and tolerance that we are famous for, if neccessary we can campaign for EFVI.eu to have a stall in a few days first let's get ALL the details, then we can act in a clear and concerted fashion...
I'm somewhat confused about all this!. I thought Vapefest was a Commercial venture designed to allow Vapers, Modders, Vendors and Juice makers from all over the UK a place to mee,t learn about new gear and juices and generally have a good time. I for one am highly dissapointed by the extremely militant attitude displayed by some members of this forum.
For my own peace of mind and to bring a little clarity, Can any one inform me as to exactly who it is that is being prevented from having a stand at this event - is it EFVI.eu or is it EFVI-UK, and is it as it appears that EFVI-UK are a seperate and distinct organisation?
Now can that person tell me EXACTLY why the organisation is not being allowed to attend?
Whatever the answers to the above questions, the outbursts, mud slinging, threats, calls for boycott and people rushing to say I'm not going all seem a bit premature.
As you can see I don't seem to be in possesion of all the facts and I doubt very much that most others are aware of the full picture either, Please everyone calm down, take a breather and allow the interested parties to work things out.
VF-2014 Organisers are by now aware of public opinion, as are other interested parties, let them talk...
I will be attending Vapefest regardless, I want to meet the rest of my fellow apes, and generally have a good time. The chance to see some shiny stuff, meet vendors Like Mr Kraken, Plumeblu and Shmovapes and taste some new juices is Icing on the cake.
It's also my opinion however unpopular it may be, that an EFVI.eu "stall" would do exactly that- stall, those of us who have signed up and are aware of EFVI.eu would not need to visit it, those who just wandeer in for a look round would probably be disinclined to vissit it as there would be no "Shinies" or "Interesting stuff". A far better and more effective route is for Vendors to promote EFVI.eu on their stall. I for one am more likely to ignore a Vendors stall without EFVI.eu Logo's as partly it shows a lack of interest in the vaping community and partly it shows a certain amount of "Grab it while you can - then run off to the next thing" mentality.
I also think it far more likely for people to sign up for the EFVI.eu after they've had an interesting chat with a vendor than if they wander over to a stall full of leaflets and get talked at for 2 minutes...
So please my fellow apes, Let's call a halt to this rampaging mob mentality, take a breath and let's get back the friendliness and tolerance that we are famous for, if neccessary we can campaign for EFVI.eu to have a stall in a few days first let's get ALL the details, then we can act in a clear and concerted fashion...
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"Divide and Conquer" OMG open your eyes there are people posting on forums (and i include POTV in this) that have a very different agenda these people are working for their own ends and not for the greater good of vaping,some are more obvious than others and some are misguided, some just see this whole debacle as a opportunity to increase their standing with whoever will profit them, under the guise of rationality.
When vaping was in it's infancy i am sure it was a more pure place to be, now it has grown and all the players are in position!
When vaping was in it's infancy i am sure it was a more pure place to be, now it has grown and all the players are in position!
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Tubbyengineer.
If you're looking for specific answers, then you'd probably be best off asking the organising committee directly, but good luck with that.. it would appear that their main objection to a stall is that they don't want the event 'politicising'.
Seems a bit thin to me given that if the political process of interpretation/implementation of the TPD isn't challenged, then all the vast majority of vapers will have access to are licensed 1st gen devices.
Can you see anyone wanting to attend an event to swap tips on how to get the best out of their 'nicorette lookalikey mk1' whilst browsing the 'vast' range of wares available from the half dozen vendors that are actually able to sell 'legal' products? That could be the reality of future vapefests if the regulations aren't challenged.
That's why it seems so ludicrous to many folk to not allow a stall promoting an important initiative that could help to challenge the regulations.
Matters haven't been helped by the arrogant, surly, 'fuck you, we're organising it and if you don't like it, you can fuck off' attitude displayed by some members of the organising committee. Granted, some of then put a lot of work into organising the event, but the main contribution of at least one member seems to be to just insult and troll.
As regards your point about forum members attending the event, it's my understanding that a lot of people who attend the event AREN'T active forum members (here or elsewhere) and are therefore, less likely to be familiar with EFVI. If this is the case, then vapefest could offer the potential to increase the amount of vapers signed up to it from it's currently disappointing 1% of estimated vapers in the country.
I'm at a loss as to why any vaper would consider this to be objectionable. The only explanation that currently seems to be on offer is that the organising committee seems to be on a power trip of some kind, view any suggestion that they don't agree with as some kind of affront and want to further that power trip by giving threats of cancellation of the event.
If the event has morphed from being about the vapers who attend, into being a power trip for the organisers then maybe cancellation might be appropriate.
After last night's shenanigans, I couldn't now give a monkeys if it goes ahead in it's planned form or not tbh.
If I want to enjoy the company of vapers that I like and get along with, I'll do it at small scale meets where ego stroking, affectations of martyrdom and shameless self promotions of folk as vaping gurus will be less of an issue.
If you're looking for specific answers, then you'd probably be best off asking the organising committee directly, but good luck with that.. it would appear that their main objection to a stall is that they don't want the event 'politicising'.
Seems a bit thin to me given that if the political process of interpretation/implementation of the TPD isn't challenged, then all the vast majority of vapers will have access to are licensed 1st gen devices.
Can you see anyone wanting to attend an event to swap tips on how to get the best out of their 'nicorette lookalikey mk1' whilst browsing the 'vast' range of wares available from the half dozen vendors that are actually able to sell 'legal' products? That could be the reality of future vapefests if the regulations aren't challenged.
That's why it seems so ludicrous to many folk to not allow a stall promoting an important initiative that could help to challenge the regulations.
Matters haven't been helped by the arrogant, surly, 'fuck you, we're organising it and if you don't like it, you can fuck off' attitude displayed by some members of the organising committee. Granted, some of then put a lot of work into organising the event, but the main contribution of at least one member seems to be to just insult and troll.
As regards your point about forum members attending the event, it's my understanding that a lot of people who attend the event AREN'T active forum members (here or elsewhere) and are therefore, less likely to be familiar with EFVI. If this is the case, then vapefest could offer the potential to increase the amount of vapers signed up to it from it's currently disappointing 1% of estimated vapers in the country.
I'm at a loss as to why any vaper would consider this to be objectionable. The only explanation that currently seems to be on offer is that the organising committee seems to be on a power trip of some kind, view any suggestion that they don't agree with as some kind of affront and want to further that power trip by giving threats of cancellation of the event.
If the event has morphed from being about the vapers who attend, into being a power trip for the organisers then maybe cancellation might be appropriate.
After last night's shenanigans, I couldn't now give a monkeys if it goes ahead in it's planned form or not tbh.
If I want to enjoy the company of vapers that I like and get along with, I'll do it at small scale meets where ego stroking, affectations of martyrdom and shameless self promotions of folk as vaping gurus will be less of an issue.
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