EFVI not allowed at Vapefest 2014

[AndyC1971]

I'm willing to bet there are a few hundred, maybe thousand of attendees who haven't signed (not voted...it's not an election or a party ) as well. If a table generates a few dozen then it's bloody worthwhile

Thats the reason I WILL STILL be going. I will get those signatures if EFVI does not attend.....watch me

 

[Mawsley]

Mawsley, there are not many times I disagree with you, but sorry, this is one of them!

You really think that the abuse is coming from the EFVI?? Its coming from some 'misguided individuals' and no one would advocate that type of shite.

Itsmeitis, is an obnoxious and arrogant individual who has done both VF and the cause absolutely no favours whatsoever. What really is wrong with having EFVI there on a table, with people approaching them if they WANT to.

You really think it will get cancelled?? How will the vendor that supplied the deposit, get his money back??

Please dont also tell me that ALL members that will be there know are forum or twitter users, because I do not believe that for one minute.

You reap what you sow..........and itsmeitis is getting his karma, and when he is 'man' enough to admit he might of got it wrong, and his ego got in the way, then perhaps everyone can get back to enjoying the anticipation of this event.

How things change eh.....not three hours ago, did he give a damn, with posts like, people will come in their masses!

Nope. As far as I am aware EFVI is an entity as opposed to a collection of individuals - and individuals have been contacting more than one vendor with threats of boycotts unless they pull out if EFVI is not allowed to go ahead.

This is one of those moments when "the internet" demonstrates how it can get behind a bandwagon and I've seen many posts across forums tonight where people have said "That's it, I'm not going".

You push someone into a corner and they will respond in their own way, and from the horses mouth this is to cancel if it (the mob mentality) continues. He has already stated that all vendors will be refunded if this happens.

I'm not justifying that as a response, I'm not denigrating the ethos of EFVI, I'm simply stating that actions taken by individuals and posts on forums may have consequences that I would not like to see happen.

I want to go to Vapefest; I want to get drunk, laugh at girls waving boots in the air (boots, I said boots you filthy-minded fuckers) and sleep with Rags. I see no reason not to allow a table but I also see no problem in refusing a table.

The fight ought to be against those who oppose vaping or want to restrict it - not amongst ourselves. That is all.

 

[KulrMeStoopid]

I only say that, as I have seen a couple of people saying that they wont go if EFVI aren't there.

We're all adults and if someone feels that strongly about the importance of EFVI, then it is their right to not go. We can't bully people into going.

BUT, realistically, how many of the people at UKVF will be online? Will be on the forums? Or, have friends on the forums etc?
I'm willing to bet, that the vast majority will be.

A good portion were from online communities, but you would also be shocked at how many people just SHOWED up because there was something "on" and they were curious. Of the 5-7k estimated attendees, I bet you less than half were from the forums/facebook groups ect.

Afterall, if it wasn't for forums, I wouldn't know about VF. And, realistically, the whole palava about EFVI has probably increased votes as it's gained it even more publicity.
Naturally, I want them to be there as I do believe it will be beneficial to the festival. But, I don't think people shouldn't go just because of this.

Vaping Forums/facebooks arent the only places to find vaping info. There is so much information out there being gleaned and shared on all kinds of sites (netmums? totally not vape related) They might not be comfortable coming to a vaping forum...how many lurkers do we have every day 50k....

As I mentioned, people will still be informed if they have no idea.

They might do but its one of those things you will also drone out in conversation if someone comes over with a new purcahse Trust me.

A little table would give people the opportunity to go see what it was about. Kind of like that saying "Curiosity killed the cat" From a new vapers POV that isnt on the forums/facebooks ect....an EFVI Rep....this is the best way for them to learn about it. Someone who can take the time to explain it to them properly. I would honestly rather learn about it from the people who KNOW EFVI inside and out, versus some random vaper spitting their drunken vape drool all over me while they shout above the crowds to tell me about some thing I should sign (which would soon be forgotten by the time I got home)

 

[AndyC1971]

Nope. As far as I am aware EFVI is an entity as opposed to a collection of individuals - and individuals have been contacting more than one vendor with threats of boycotts unless they pull out if EFVI is not allowed to go ahead.

This is one of those moments when "the internet" demonstrates how it can get behind a bandwagon and I've seen many posts across forums tonight where people have said "That's it, I'm not going".

You push someone into a corner and they will respond in their own way, and from the horses mouth this is to cancel if it (the mob mentality) continues. He has already stated that all vendors will be refunded if this happens.

I'm not justifying that as a response, I'm not denigrating the ethos of EFVI, I'm simply stating that actions taken by individuals and posts on forums may have consequences that I would not like to see happen.

I want to go to Vapefest; I want to get drunk, laugh at girls waving boots in the air (boots, I said boots you filthy-minded fuckers) and sleep with Rags. I see no reason not to allow a table but I also see no problem in refusing a table.

The fight ought to be against those who oppose vaping or want to restrict it - not amongst ourselves. That is all.

Then the choice is that of the organisers. Simple really, noone has a gun pointed at their heads and told they must go. If it gets cancelled, there will be a pretty pissed off vendor that laid out the deposit. I am glad the vendors will get refunded, and whilst it would be a shame to see it cancelled, at least morals and principals are in tact.

EFVI was PUSHED into the corner, this is the organisers doing, they are the only ones who can rectify this. I am so relieved I have no part in EFVI, because I really would take the no compromise route!

I am really amazed at the attitude on another forum by the organisers, one in particular, and he has noone to blame but himself.

 

[Szaxe]

I understand the approach that this is a good time event. There is no reason why that would change by having an open and obvious support for EFVI. It's not UKIP. It's not even UKVIP.

There is no UKVIP anymore, the chairman and Secretary of the old UKVIP are now running EFVI-UK and the secretary owns and hosts the Domain. The real EFVI efvi.eu, as far as I see have had no argument with Vapefest?

Being in a place were a great quest (UKVIP) is stubbed out, and explaining the facts just makes you look worse ... I feel sick ....

Vapefest has been hurt and the real EFVI has been hurt.

I had no intention of saying anything, I have already been made a sort of outcast with clever manouvering, but I just want to point out we are now Vapers in Power ....

 

[Chegs]

I'm thoroughly sick of all the squabbling so won't be attending. I couldn't give a monkeys anymore, I was really looking forwards to getting to meet people with the same hobby as me but reading some of the arrogant responses means I'm just going to be wandering round wondering if that person or that person is the one I can't agree with. I've never attended a Vapemeet let alone a large VapeFest so would feel like a fish out of water for at least part of a day,which I can do without simply by not going. (I realise that some people will view my actions as 'cutting off my nose to spite my face' but bickering has implanted a souring effect to my thoughts)

Sent by lazer from just north of the world's largest nuclear dustbin

 

[KulrMeStoopid]

[h=3]Members of the citizens' committee:[/h]Patryk Bełzak (Poland), Kinga Bilau (Hungary), Monika Calvetti-Fürst (Austria), Leo Compas (Netherlands), Ditta Ditewig (Netherlands), John Miles Dolphin (United Kingdom), Marcin Duraj (Poland), Scott Andrew Fitzsimmons (United Kingdom), Stavros Georgalas (Czech Republic), Marcel Göertz (Netherlands), Markus Kämmerer (Germany), Udo Laschet (Germany), Krisztian Pifko (Hungary), Serge Poplemon (Belgium)

http://ec.europa.eu/citizens-initiative/public/initiatives/ongoing/details/2013/000009


They are a small collection of people. With several reps in each country. They arent a non profit or an ltd, they do not take any money. Its an idea, that with enough signatures will make the EU have to listen to US, the vapers.

 

[Mark]

There is no UKVIP anymore, the chairman and Secretary of the old UKVIP are now running EFVI-UK and the secretary owns and hosts the Domain. The real EFVI efvi.eu, as far as I see have had no argument with Vapefest? Being in a place were a great quest is stubbed out, and explaining t he facts just makes you look worse ... I feel sick ....

Vapefest has been hurt and the real EFVI has been hurt.

I had no intention of saying anything, I have already been made a sort of outcast with clever manouvering, but I just want to point out we are now Vapers in Power ....

Thanks for clearing that up. No confusion intended. Simply trying to emphasise that supporting EFVI isn't 'voting' in the normal sense. There is no reason to decline the use of a table to an initiative which could help us all.

 

[Fleabag]

I think it's been fairly calm & rational on here. I think most people feel EFVI should be able to attend, some feel strongly enough for it to influence the decision on whether to attend, others don't.
I think it reflects well on POTV that this very emotive issue has been discussed quite reasonably

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[steffijade]

According to 'official' figures, there are about 1.3 million vapers in the UK.

13,000 have signed up for EFVI.

That represents a percentage of roughly 1%.

ANY opportunity to promote EFVI should grasped if it leads to that percentage being increased.

This whole situation has arisen because of inflated egos and certain people believing that the event is everything and all that matters. Without vapers attending and supporting it, it becomes a non event.

The 'I'm gonna bugger off home and take my ball with me' threat (be it implied or otherwise) to cancel the event merely seems to confirm that that the 'anti political' stance has more to do with proving a point and the flexing of egos, rather than a valid argument.

Perhaps some of those egos could stand a little bruising/deflation if it makes them realise that it's the vapers attending that make the day what it is.