Have your say - Creating a smokefree generation

[vapervince]

The Royal College of Physicians response is pretty pro vaping and flavours.

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At last some common sense.
Everything that I mentioned in my email to my MP is addressed in that exerpt.

 

[Toby iVapour]

+1 to Vapervince for writing to his MP.. I think that's the only way they might listen...

I would write to my MP, but no point as I'm a vendor (conflict of interests).. and the York MP is fuckwit Rachael Maskell, who bangs on about banning vapes in Parliament. (with untruths)...

 

[Simon G]

The Royal College of Physicians response is pretty pro vaping and flavours.

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Good stuff, the government should listen to them, they did before and they would look pretty stupid going against their advice.

 

[Toby iVapour]

tbh i don’t think they have a clue what they are doing. even if they ban “flavours” in one way or another dark tobacco will suddenly start to taste like a custard biscuit. i think all this will do, if it even happens, is result in a change in naming conventions and packaging.

so how is it possible to restrict anything other than the name?

Easily...

All flavour/strengths could have to resubmitted to the MHRA for analysis to fulfill certain criteria in order to be passed to be allowed to be placed on the market.

Look at the USA, since the new regulations came into effect - millions of premarket tobacco product applications (PMTA - an extremely onerous & expensive application process) have not been approved, only a handful of devices have been authorised, with some pre-filled pods (closed system), only in tobacco flavour.
No liquid in bottles for refilling have been approved.

So, what I'm saying is, it depends how far they decide to take it...

 

[Rickster]

Easily...

All flavour/strengths could have to resubmitted to the MHRA for analysis to fulfill certain criteria in order to be passed to be allowed to be placed on the market.

Look at the USA, since the new regulations came into effect - millions of premarket tobacco product applications (PMTA - an extremely onerous & expensive application process) have not been approved, only a handful of devices have been authorised, with some pre-filled pods (closed system), only in tobacco flavour.
No liquid in bottles for refilling have been approved.

So, what I'm saying is, it depends how far they decide to take it...

That would close down a lot of small craft businesses, some have already spent money on submissions....would they do it again...doubt many would, the big boys will though.

 

[Toby iVapour]

That would close down a lot of small craft businesses, some have already spent money on submissions....would they do it again...doubt many would, the big boys will though.

In the US, the only companies that can afford it (and had products passed) are Big Tobacco (apparently it costs millions-$ per product to jump through all the hoops).

As of Sept 2023, only 6 vape devices (plus tobacco pre-filled pods) have been authorised by the FDA -
https://vaping360.com/vape-news/126330/about-fdas-new-authorized-e-cigarette-list/

Here’s the real FDA-authorized (and available) e-cigarette list:

• Logic Pro + two tobacco-flavored refills
• Logic Power + one tobacco-flavored refill
• NJOY Daily – two nicotine strengths, both tobacco-flavored
• NJOY Ace + three tobacco-flavored refills
• Vuse Solo + two tobacco-flavored refills
• Vuse Vibe + one tobacco-flavored refill

 

[Rickster]

In the US, the only companies that can afford it (and had products passed) are Big Tobacco (apparently it costs millions-$ per product to jump through all the hoops).

As of Sept 2023, only 6 vape devices (plus tobacco pre-filled pods) have been authorised by the FDA -
https://vaping360.com/vape-news/126330/about-fdas-new-authorized-e-cigarette-list/

Broon envelopes

 

[Toby iVapour]

Broon envelopes

https://clivebates.com/chaos-waste-...-tobacco-regulation-and-how-could-it-improve/

The PMTA process for new products (vaping, heated tobacco, nicotine pouches etc.) is exceptionally burdensome, the rules are opaque, the process inefficient, and the outcomes unpredictable. The extreme compliance burdens, together with the unpredictability of the process, favor large companies. Tobacco companies are especially advantaged – first through the barriers to entry that protect the cigarette trade, second through the advantage to large companies in the vape market, and third through their ability to cross-subsidize vaping compliance costs from their cigarette business. Few vape companies have the balance sheet or patient investors to withstand the pressure FDA piles onto them.

The review process is opaque, burdensome, grounded in false assumptions, subject to hidden rules, and open to political meddling. If the review process can deny Juul’s application on a spurious pretext but grant a marketing order for a novel cigarette, ANY outcome can be contrived.

 

[Simon G]

Easily...

All flavour/strengths could have to resubmitted to the MHRA for analysis to fulfill certain criteria in order to be passed to be allowed to be placed on the market.

Look at the USA, since the new regulations came into effect - millions of premarket tobacco product applications (PMTA - an extremely onerous & expensive application process) have not been approved, only a handful of devices have been authorised, with some pre-filled pods (closed system), only in tobacco flavour.
No liquid in bottles for refilling have been approved.

So, what I'm saying is, it depends how far they decide to take it...

I don't think there's any suggestion that we'll go down the US route.

Could they? Sure, they could do anything in theory, but it's unlikely. You might as well compare the law here to Saudi Arabia and go 'they could do that easily' there's not much point if worrying about what ifs.

 

[zouzounaki]

agreed, there is no chance that will happen.