Mask exemptions

[Badboybez]

But you seem to have missed the point that the masks are supposed to protect other people, not you.

I don't think I have missed the point, I was commenting on the way the thread had changed from how you can assure someone that you can't wear a mask, to to the observations about the UK gov sending mixed messages on mandatory wearing of them, and the split between devolved governments.
I know that the original advice from many health bodies was that masks protect other people from you, rather than you from others.
So effectively I think it is many others that have missed the "original" point regarding how people can demonstrate when challenged over their claim to a supermarket that they cannot wear one, and so are exempt, whether it is mandatory by law, or simply expected required by a particular retailer.

We cannot effectively sanitise the goods, which range from books to furniture, so all we can try to do, basically ............. is stop people spitting/sneezing on them before other people handle them or passing the virus on through touch?

Totally appreciate what you are saying here, but that brings me to a matter that personally I think is more important in environments such as retail, whether new, or pre-owned items.
Don't know if anyone remembers, but when shops were preparing to open up again following the "green light" to do so, there were several reports on tv (in particular) as well as other media about some of the retailers preparations. One of note was Waterstones book stores, there would still be books on the stores shelves, and you were free to browse them as before, if you wished to purchase the book you had looked at you took it to the till, and paid for it. If on the other hand you decided not to purchase it, you put it on a table in the store, where it would then be securely stored for 72 hours before being put back on the shelves for the general public. There were also some independant clothing shops that were going to use the same method, pick up a skirt / trousers from the rail, decide not to buy after all, they went into a cage for 72 hours before being put back on the racks.
So in my opinion it is far more important to enforce the wearing of gloves, rather than masks, including all shop staff from warehouse operatives, up to managers.

I have to be honest, I don't think I'd allow anyone in without a mask, for any reason at all.

That is obviously a business choice that your auction house has made, and I respect that, but could that mean that unless it is mandatory by law, then it could be in danger of breaches of the disabled persons discrimination act, as a person can be classed as disabled if they struggle to breathe, and so cannot wear a mask.

 

[Crewella]

Fair enough @Badboybez - then I missed your point!

I do remember the things retailers were doing, and we discussed it at length at work, but when you only have one day that you're open for viewing and each item you have for sale is unique, you just have to muddle through as best you can. We also have asked viewers (who can only come by appointment) to wear gloves but decided to provide hand sanitisers all round the sale room as many dealers rely on their sense of touch to feel for authenticity or restoration on some items. It's difficult - we're doing the best we can in the circumstances. We can only hope our clients will do the same?

Just to add, we're a helpful bunch ........... if someone wants to see something in particular we could take ti outside for them. And give them a chair.

 

["Misfit"]

@Social Misfit you could always get yourself a labo cotton mask.

Can i vape that stuff ?

 

[Badboybez]

Thanks @Crewella
From my opinion I value gloves in a retail environment more than face masks.
It's also part of my concern over anything that is mandatory, any government would need to make sure they have a robust system to make sure that disabled persons could not be left in a vulnerable position by over zealous retailers / security guards.

 

[Crewella]

Thanks @Crewella
From my opinion I value gloves in a retail environment more than face masks.
It's also part of my concern over anything that is mandatory, any government would need to make sure they have a robust system to make sure that disabled persons could not be left in a vulnerable position by over zealous retailers / security guards.

My personal view is that you have to draw a line somewhere, so everybody knows what the rules are and what to do. Then if some individual has a problem with that line you work out how best to get round it together, rather than keep moving the line. I don't much like 'jobsworths' and I try hard not to be one.

 

["Misfit"]

Just to clear up why i have to do this.
Basically we are the original dysfunctional family
There are 4 people in our house all adults.
Me who has COPD and Asthma and a range of other problems.
My Wife who has Paranoid Schizophrenia and not coping to well due to change of meds.
My Son who has severe Social Anxiety Disorder who doesnt know the last time he was in a shop.
Or my Daughter who has been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder who is recovering from several suicide attempts.
We dont know our neighbours that well.
No family support.
We shop at Aldi who dont deliver and Tesco who do but haven't got any delivery slots half the time.
Who should do the shopping ?
Or should we starve ?
I am not doing this just to rebel, If i was forced to wear a mask while doing the shopping there is a high risk of me collapsing in store.
I understand people's concern and i do socially distance myself from other people.
I sanitise my hands before entering and leaving each shop avoiding unnecessary contact whenever.
Me and my family have been through so much stigma in our life, over our health, we don't need anymore

 

[Crewella]

Just to clear up why i have to do this.
Basically we are the original dysfunctional family
There are 4 people in our house all adults.
Me who has COPD and Asthma and a range of other problems.
My Wife who has Paranoid Schizophrenia and not coping to well due to change of meds.
My Son who has severe Social Anxiety Disorder who doesnt know the last time he was in a shop.
Or my Daughter who has been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder who is recovering from several suicide attempts.
We dont know our neighbours that well.
No family support.
We shop at Aldi who dont deliver and Tesco who do but haven't got any delivery slots half the time.
Who should do the shopping ?
Or should we starve ?
I am not doing this just to rebel, If i was forced to wear a mask while doing the shopping there is a high risk of me collapsing in store.
I understand people's concern and i do socially distance myself from other people.
I sanitise my hands before entering and leaving each shop avoiding unnecessary contact whenever.
Me and my family have been through so much stigma in our life, over our health, we don't need anymore

@Social Misfit you don't need to explain yourself, or not to me at least. I'm sorry, the thread turned into more of a general discussion of masks, which was partly my fault.

I've no wish to make tough choices even tougher.

 

[Badboybez]

Exactly the same as my local record shop that's just reopened. sanitise your hands before you go in, masks worn at all times, no more than 4 people in the shop at a time ... it's only a small shop no real way to distance for customers or staff and of course by it's nature everyone is flicking through and touching all the records. No exemptions or exceptions, if you don't like it they'll tell you to go home and download some music instead.

Commendable of your local record shop mate.
But please also take a look at my post #81 for my feelings, on no exemption, and handling products in a retail environment, rather than clog the thread up with a duplicate text.

By the way, I am in no way against record shops, one of my brother in laws has hundreds, upon hundreds of albums.

 

[Badboybez]

It really is quite simple..... and about limiting the spread, shops and supermarkets are busy places, same with buses and trains..... it's damage limitation.... of course you can get it in say a pub where no masks are required, but limiting the spread else where is where it's at the moment or the pubs will close again.
And it looks like you may be correct, Boris may have learned something from Scotland which will hopefully filter down to the good folks down South like yourself

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53388444

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It really isn't that simple mate, if it was it would have been sorted out in every country around the world months ago.
The only simple thing to understand is that the only solution is a vaccine that works, without killing the patient. I doubt even Nicola's crystal ball can predict when that will be.

 

[Badboybez]

The only thing i hate more than old books is old records...buy an ipod ppl, lol

Before u audiophiles crucify me, think about having to carry crates of them back and forth thru a store all day, the r SO heavy

Maybe we have a different culture over here.
What the fuck is an ipod anyway....................................