Temp control vaping

[danb]

If the answer to this question is safety then it presupposes that vapers are not safe using non-TC vaping methods. That seems to be full of assumption. Vaping practices vary widely, some vapers are pretty conservative whilst others are pushing the envelope beyond reasonable risk boundaries.

Do we know yet whether TC wires - Ni200, Titanium, NiFe30, NiFe48 etc - are safer than kanthal?
We know that TC will prevent us from burning the wick but TC in itself does not prevent the user from burning the juice. You can singe a wick using TC yet many vapers using kanthal do not singe their wicks. How can TC be safer for them?

If safety is going to be the winning argument for TC then it needs evidence to back that up. Without evidence it's simply a matter of faith, isn't it? TC is going to have to do a lot better than show people wicks that aren't burnt.

Dry hits and overheating result in avoidable exposure to harmful aldehydes - that's not an assumption, it's a tested and demonstrated fact. Vapers that never get burning or dry hits with kanthal don't need to worry about it, but some people do experience these problems and TC is one solution for them. TC has a safeguard that kanthal doesn't - it removes one hazard of vaping. I don't think this is a matter of faith - if you cap the temperature lower than the temperature at which your juice burns, the juice won't burn.

Whether there are other problems associated with the other wires vs kanthal is, as far as I'm aware, currently unknown (if anyone is aware of any studies, please post links or PM me). I don't see any reason for concern at normal operating temperatures. When I use kanthal, I get occasional burning, singeing and the odd dry hit. I want to avoid that because I know it's harmful, for me TC solves it and will take my chances with the potential unknown hazards of TC (even though "we don't know what's in it"). I can't remember the last time I singed a wick in TC - a singed wick in TC is indicative of setting the temperature too high. For me TC eliminates a significant risk, but I am fully aware that for many there is no significant risk and TC is not the best option for everyone.

Finally, this is not the reason for TC. It's the main reason I prefer TC, but I am only speaking for myself.

 

[SimonB2008]

For The Win my friend. Lol

oh my god - I've always thought it meant "fuck the world". Im such a fool!

 

[gbone]

I've never bothered with TC for me there is no point ,I've tried temp control builds in the shop and it did nothing for me

What kind of drags are people taking to need it to avoid dry hits anyway [emoji23] ....like op said I never get dry hits vaping even on big inhales but I only Vape normally I don't take 15 second lung hits

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[Mr Numpty]

The technology is far from developed, it's early days and a load of faff. If you look up faff in a Northern thesaurus, it says dogwank.

Now you I don't mind calling TC vaping dogwank at all because I know you've tried it properly. Given it a fair go. Used the right wires and built coils that have been agreed through extensive forum testing and general consensus to be good set ups. Persevered when initial results weren't as great as we hoped and then given invaluable feedback that advanced our understanding of TC vaping, thank you very much for that.

All us regulars in the TC folder have learned a great deal about the pros and cons of TC vaping over the past couple of months. I'd have enjoyed the journey even if I hadn't ended up preferring it, on balance, to power mode. I'm sure you enjoyed that trip also, we do enjoy a bit o' geek, amirite?

I'm not sorry you didn't end up preferring TC. I'm happy that you satisfied yourself that kanthal is more your type of vape, for the moment at least. Kanthal vaping is great after all. Really great. I love it, and for good reason. It has many advantages over TC vaping and as things stand the biggest of those for me is that it hits harder and quicker for less effort. It's easy to throw together kanthal builds that hit like a train and the option of Clapton-type coils only serve to reinforce that, but I have to say, I'm getting REALLY good everything production from my TC builds, and I do prefer the actual vapour itself more than with kanthal now, as the few advantages that TC has over wattage vaping enhance the vaping experience for me.

If anyone unfamiliar with TC vaping would like to give it a try, please do come hang out in the little corner of the forum they have banished us to. A good body of TC vaping knowledge is being built there and both noob questions and noob input would be greatly appreciated. Don't be afraid, we got you. Give it a go if you fancy something new. You'll never know until you've tried as they say.

Peace.

 

[scrumpox]

Dry hits and overheating result in avoidable exposure to harmful aldehydes - that's not an assumption, it's a tested and demonstrated fact. Vapers that never get burning or dry hits with kanthal don't need to worry about it, but some people do experience these problems and TC is one solution for them. TC has a safeguard that kanthal doesn't - it removes one hazard of vaping. I don't think this is a matter of faith - if you cap the temperature lower than the temperature at which your juice burns, the juice won't burn.

Whether there are other problems associated with the other wires vs kanthal is, as far as I'm aware, currently unknown (if anyone is aware of any studies, please post links or PM me). I don't see any reason for concern at normal operating temperatures. When I use kanthal, I get occasional burning, singeing and the odd dry hit. I want to avoid that because I know it's harmful, for me TC solves it and will take my chances with the potential unknown hazards of TC (even though "we don't know what's in it"). I can't remember the last time I singed a wick in TC - a singed wick in TC is indicative of setting the temperature too high. For me TC eliminates a significant risk, but I am fully aware that for many there is no significant risk and TC is not the best option for everyone.

Finally, this is not the reason for TC. It's the main reason I prefer TC, but I am only speaking for myself.

You're getting into a bit of word twisting there @danb
"... vapers are not safe using non-TC ..." this was the statement that is full of assumption. At no point did I contest the issues with dry hits. There's nothing in your post that I disagree with so it's confusing that you want to pick an argument with my post by changing what I am saying.

"... if you cap the temp lower than the temp at which your juice burns ..." This is true ... of TC and non-TC the same. My point is that TC in itself does not do this, the vaper does this ... and vapers have been doing this for years with tc before TC came along. We agree that the vaper who cannot do tc will find TC beneficial. However, the vaper who thinks that simply using TC will stop their juice burning will be disappointed and misguided for the simple reason that without knowing the burning point of your juice a vaper is unable to set the correct temp parameter. I am sure that once again we would agree on this. How then does the TC vaper do this? Exactly the same way we've been doing it for years, with manual tc.

 

[scrumpox]

Now you I don't mind calling TC vaping dogwank at all because I know you've tried it properly. Given it a fair go. Used the right wires and built coils that have been agreed through extensive forum testing and general consensus to be good set ups. Persevered when initial results weren't as great as we hoped and then given invaluable feedback that advanced our understanding of TC vaping, thank you very much for that.

All us regulars in the TC folder have learned a great deal about the pros and cons of TC vaping over the past couple of months. I'd have enjoyed the journey even if I hadn't ended up preferring it, on balance, to power mode. I'm sure you enjoyed that trip also, we do enjoy a bit o' geek, amirite?

I'm not sorry you didn't end up preferring TC. I'm happy that you satisfied yourself that kanthal is more your type of vape, for the moment at least. Kanthal vaping is great after all. Really great. I love it, and for good reason. It has many advantages over TC vaping and as things stand the biggest of those for me is that it hits harder and quicker for less effort. It's easy to throw together kanthal builds that hit like a train and the option of Clapton-type coils only serve to reinforce that, but I have to say, I'm getting REALLY good everything production from my TC builds, and I do prefer the actual vapour itself more than with kanthal now, as the few advantages that TC has over wattage vaping enhance the vaping experience for me.

If anyone unfamiliar with TC vaping would like to give it a try, please do come hang out in the little corner of the forum they have banished us to. A good body of TC vaping knowledge is being built there and both noob questions and noob input would be greatly appreciated. Don't be afraid, we got you. Give it a go if you fancy something new. You'll never know until you've tried as they say.

Peace.

I don't think you'd be surprised to hear that I still believe that TC is the future of vaping ... it is far from dogwank. Each to their own.

Like you, I've enjoyed the TC journey and it has improved my non-TC vaping along the way. By questioning everything you discover some answers ... and more questions.
It doesn't surprise me that many vapers with a curious and open-minded approach to TC will find a satisfying vape and even prefer it. TC has great potential.

 

[manabush]

Please define "restricted", flavour should come through good and clear - if your coil resistance seems stable start by looking at your wicking, Both I and the redoubtable MrTeatime know that TC on a Heron can be bloody marvellous - He was pretty shocked by my TC setup at Vape expo, wasn't so keen on the Clara T I had in it yesterday though...

by restricted i mean a lack of oompf

to be honest - ive only really just started playing around with it .. its getting a bit better, I may have to tap you up for some advice tho!

Im more than willing to admit it could be user error

 

[Mr Numpty]

Manabush juices shine in TC and I'm not even a great fan of them but you can tune the hell out of them with a nice .15 Ti or NiFe30 build in a good flavour atty. Juices that are a bit more complex like that show up well in TC, you can bring out different nuances in them at different temps. Imo.

 

[manabush]

Manabush juices shine in TC and I'm not even a great fan of them but you can tune the hell out of them with a nice .15 Ti or NiFe30 build in a good flavour atty. Juices that are a bit more complex like that show up well in TC, you can bring out different nuances in them at different temps. Imo.

yeah its getting there I think, got one set up in my cloud one now that Im resonably happy with - will have a go at the heron later the cloud one is a .1 coil any advantage to going lower or higher ?

 

[Mr Numpty]

yeah its getting there I think, got one set up in my cloud one now that Im resonably happy with - will have a go at the heron later the cloud one is a .1 coil any advantage to going lower or higher ?

Nice. Definitely don't go lower. 0.15 - .2 is a really stable and customisable range, ime.

Edit: .1 has been fine for me but danb's TC accuracy and wire selection thread shows that lowest is not always best.