I know... I don’t know? That’s the definition of a contradiction. So which is it?
“I know vaping had a negative effect on me” would also be considered a claim, not simply just an observation. It’s even less of an observation if your observation changed so quickly to “I don’t know if vaping caused my issues”. Again, which is it? And how could you possibly know either way if “nobody knows”. It’s also no longer a “personal fact” either if you then go on to contradict it immediately. Facts don’t change that quickly and easily, especially not personal ones. Yet more contradictions.
The simple facts is, you don’t know, but you decided to add 2+2 together, got 5, and claimed to know 5 was (and possibly wasn’t) the correct answer... Err, whut?
That’s no different than the sarcastic joke people make about causes of death, saying “100% of people who breath go on to die, therefore breathing causes death” when people make other false connections. It’s a logical fallacy. Correlation does not equal causation.
There’s a laundry list of reasons why you may have experienced the mild symptoms you described, many of them being more likely. One such likelihood is all your years of smoking finally caught up with you. Another being age. Why blame the thing you’ve been doing for 3 years with seemingly no issues? It quite possibly may be vaping. Could be an allergy you’ve developed. Wherever you source your DIY could well have changed where they are sourcing their stuff or made minor changes to ingredients. Could be any number of reason. Could be your easing symptoms are nothing more than coincidence. Blaming vaping is scaremongering, especially right now, and not exactly positive despite your claims to the contrary.
My knee started aching the other day while I was vaping. Do you think vaping did it or is it more likely to be the fact that I broke my kneecap and damage cartilage when I was younger, was also on my knees mortising a hinge at the time and the damage is catching up to me?
And this is just the tip of the iceberg but I think I’ve said enough. Others discrepancies in your post have been pointed out elsewhere.
Maybe if you took in what you wrote, the pitchfork wouldn’t have to came out. Sorry if you don’t like it but there’s been a fair few questionable posts in the last couple of months, from members here with no previous posts, and I’m getting more and more cynical as I get older.
There’s only so long people can keep using the “we don’t know the long term effects” argument before we start calling bullshit. When people have been vaping for over 10 years and there are over 40 million vapers world wide, with no confirmed issues linked to vaping responsibly made nic based e-liquid, it’s not even debatable that vaping as we know it is much safer than smoking at this point! A few cases of mild symptoms and some dubious connections to vaping is nothing to be alarmed about when thousands of people die every day from smoking related illnesses and diseases.
Nobody in the community has ever claimed it to be 100% safe. We’re not naive enough to expect it to be either. So I have no Idea where you got the notion from that “we” thought otherwise. That’s all you. Nothing in life is inherently safe, absolutely nothing. Drinking too much water will kill you... yet here you are using the same tired old arguments as the vaping naysayers and looking for some confirmation bias to boot... Strange.
And /rant... back on with my day I go, and I’ll be standing by my claim of “nonsense” if you don’t mind.
I appreciate your take on my post and I understand with any addiction, especially addiction replacement, people want a safer option, a best of both worlds, and I appreciate your clinging on and fighting for vaping to be safe, and I hope it turns out it is, this isn't a patronising statement, I genuinely want to continue vaping too! Yes the "we don't know the long term effects" statement is getting old indeed, unfortunately, it's true, hence why used so much. As said I expected a defensive take (maybe not as much as yours) but alas this doesn't concern me, hence why I posted, as I felt like documenting my issues which was originally going to be an offline word document, but figured make it online as others may find useful, there are 100's and 1000's of vapers in the UK, millions even, but not all of us are naive enough to insist it's safe, and beat down every negative like your protecting a child, your protecting an addiction, an untested one, if you don't like my post and my progress, simply move on, simple. There's no hard feelings here and to a degree I welcome your criticism as another side of the coin is what makes the world a more knowledgable varied place to live in. But as said, if this thread is making you angry and is a waste of your time, then may be better to dodge it completely.
Moving on...
Today is the 7th day of being vape free, if you recall I was on an 18mg 50/50 mix. I dropped the vape completely and started using nicotine patches (14mg) to aid in the quitting somewhat. On day 3 my pins and needles went coompletely for a couple of days, and my vision improved. Day 7 my vision has still improved possibly verifying the opticians extreme dry eye diagnosis. However yesterday the pins and needles returned and have stayed for 48 hours. Chest and breathing has improved slightly, although I am not monitoring this effectively right now due to being on the backend of the flu. I'll be giving it another week to monitor this. The good news? I can deduct VG and PG as a cause for the tingles, many experts say 3-4 days of smoking/vaping for many symptoms to dwindle, the fact their back makes me think PG/VG wasn't the issue here. My GP was looking at the nicotine as being a cause, as some posted here the 18mg chain vape was excessive, and now with 14mg patches and the nic quickmist spray, I am still taking in nicotine at good level which makes me think the tingles are being caused by nicotine alone.
Today I have binned the patches and only using the quickmist spray which weighs in at a small 1mg per spray. I'll use this exclusively for another week and then post back, if things don't change, the spray will be binned and I'll monitor for another week, if the issues remain, we can safely say this is NOT vape related and the whole post is a huge waste of time, if they expire completely, then it's obviously a Nicotine issue and if I choose to continue vaping I'll need to find that sweet spot. I have purposely binned all my pre made juice so I can't even start vaping for 2 days after deciding to (steep time) which gives me a couple of days to assess my choices.
When I quit smoking I was bringing up black nasty mucus for days after quitting (3 days onwards), there has been minimal phlegm in quitting vaping which is interesting, I do have the back end of the flu so slightly phlegmy anyways, but nothing out the ordinary, no massive vape chunks of nasty! Compared to when I quit the ciggs, this is pretty significent in comparison.