Vaping, the controversy, news, media, scaremongering debate

[al_g]

We have every right to be do we not? Especially right now the way things are going around the world. Peoples lives depend on it. This bollocks need to be called out. Even more so when it’s coming from our side.

Mate, I’m not being funny but once upon a time people actually believed smoking to be good for you.

Vaping may work for you but that doesn’t mean that it works for everyone else. Trying to work out why helps others understand what might work for them and shooting the guy down because his vaping experience hasn’t been as positive as yours helps absolutely nobody.

It could be something as minor as a flavouring or nic strength reaction (or maybe, just maybe something more sinister) but regardless the OP has come on here for help, not to be made out to be a liar.

If you’ve got nothing positive to contribute then do yourself a favour and don’t post.

 

[Mr Ripple]

Mate, I’m not being funny but once upon a time people actually believed smoking to be good for you.

Vaping may work for you but that doesn’t mean that it works for everyone else. Trying to work out why helps others understand what might work for them and shooting the guy down because his vaping experience hasn’t been as positive as yours helps absolutely nobody.

It could be something as minor as a flavouring or nic strength reaction (or maybe, just maybe something more sinister) but regardless the OP has come on here for help, not to be made out to be a liar.

If you’ve got nothing positive to contribute then do yourself a favour and don’t post.

Well said!

 

[Haze]

Mate, I’m not being funny but once upon a time people actually believed smoking to be good for you.

Vaping may work for you but that doesn’t mean that it works for everyone else. Trying to work out why helps others understand what might work for them and shooting the guy down because his vaping experience hasn’t been as positive as yours helps absolutely nobody.

It could be something as minor as a flavouring or nic strength reaction but regardless the OP has come on here for help, not to be made out to be a liar.

If you’ve got nothing positive to contribute then do yourself a favour and don’t post.

And once upon a time the RCoP called bullshit on those false beliefs... noticing a trend there?

I didn’t claim it works for everyone. Nor would I. Don’t put words in my mouth.

I didn’t say anything about lying either. Don’t put words in my mouth.

I mentioned multiple other possibilities. Don’t pretend I didn’t. OP, if genuine, should have been sensible enough to consider those themselves. I doubt they were blaming every ailment they had in all their years of smoking on smoking itself...

Their vaping experience was positive until claiming to “know” vaping caused their negative effects. Don’t pretend their is something wrong with calling out a claim, based on a fallacy, as nonsense. And as I pointed out, it seems they came here for nothing other than to confirm their bias. Quote where they actually asked for help. I must have missed that part. How about disputing any of my actual points as I do/did?

My points were completely valid, so I’ll post as much as I like in that fashion whether or not someones feelings get hurt. I’m entitled to my say too, and am not obligated to be positive in any way, especially when I have actual points that I addressed specifically. I’m not about to mince my words for anybody nor will I accept being told to. If you don’t like it, do yourself a favour and don’t read my posts. Nobody is forcing you to read what I say so don’t dare try to tell not to say anything when nothing I said was unreasonable, hateful, harmful or attacked anyone personally in any way etc. You want to block speech, go to China or someplace similar.

Let’s not pretend that if this exact story turned up in the papers tomorrow under the headline “man/woman/child gets dry-eye from vaping” we all wouldn’t be making many, if not all, the same points I did. Why should the story turning up here be any different? Especially when that story, as has happened here a few times recently, has come from someone with no previous posts and only signed up around the time of all this US crap. Then there’s the fallacious arguments, inconsistencies and contradictions to boot. Coincidence? Maybe, but you’re going to have to excuse my cynicism/scepticism at this point. Those other people have been torn down too and I remained quiet until now. Well, now I’ve had my say in one of these cases and if you don’t like it, tough. Sorry, not sorry.

 

[DeeDee aka (Pod Queen)]

I have to say this is the first time i have been truly shocked and disappointed by some of the replies to a thread.
I believe he was just looking for advice and sharing his story and experience. Since when did this become a forum that does not allow that?
So if we don't post pro vaping 100% then we should keep our mouth shut? Come on people that's not fair.
I hope you find out what it is that's causing these symptoms and i would like an update when you do. Thank you for sharing .

DeeDee (sad shaking head emoji)

 

[TartanSpartan]

And once upon a time the RCoP called bullshit on those false beliefs... noticing a trend there?

I didn’t claim it works for everyone. Nor would I. Don’t put words in my mouth.

I didn’t say anything about lying either. Don’t put words in my mouth.

I mentioned multiple other possibilities. Don’t pretend I didn’t. OP, if genuine, should have been sensible enough to consider those themselves. I doubt they were blaming every ailment they had in all their years of smoking on smoking itself...

Their vaping experience was positive until claiming to “know” vaping caused their negative effects. Don’t pretend their is something wrong with calling out a claim, based on a fallacy, as nonsense. And as I pointed out, it seems they came here for nothing other than to confirm their bias. Quote where they actually asked for help. I must have missed that part. How about disputing any of my actual points as I do/did?

My points were completely valid, so I’ll post as much as I like in that fashion whether or not someones feelings get hurt. I’m entitled to my say too, and am not obligated to be positive in any way, especially when I have actual points that I addressed specifically. I’m not about to mince my words for anybody nor will I accept being told to. If you don’t like it, do yourself a favour and don’t read my posts. Nobody is forcing you to read what I say so don’t dare try to tell not to say anything when nothing I said was unreasonable, hateful, harmful or attacked anyone personally in any way etc. You want to block speech, go to China or someplace similar.

Let’s not pretend that if this exact story turned up in the papers tomorrow under the headline “man/woman/child gets dry-eye from vaping” we all wouldn’t be making many, if not all, the same points I did. Why should the story turning up here be any different? Especially when that story, as has happened here a few times recently, has come from someone with no previous posts and only signed up around the time of all this US crap. Then there’s the fallacious arguments, inconsistencies and contradictions to boot. Coincidence? Maybe, but you’re going to have to excuse my cynicism/scepticism at this point. Those other people have been torn down too and I remained quiet until now. Well, now I’ve had my say in one of these cases and if you don’t like it, tough. Sorry, not sorry.

No however it takes nothing to be civil to people
Just cos you’re not wrong doesn’t mean you’re not being an Arse

 

[al_g]

And once upon a time the RCoP called bullshit on those false beliefs... noticing a trend there?

I didn’t claim it works for everyone. Nor would I. Don’t put words in my mouth.

I didn’t say anything about lying either. Don’t put words in my mouth.

I mentioned multiple other possibilities. Don’t pretend I didn’t. OP, if genuine, should have been sensible enough to consider those themselves. I doubt they were blaming every ailment they had in all their years of smoking on smoking itself...

Their vaping experience was positive until claiming to “know” vaping caused their negative effects. Don’t pretend their is something wrong with calling out a claim, based on a fallacy, as nonsense. And as I pointed out, it seems they came here for nothing other than to confirm their bias. Quote where they actually asked for help. I must have missed that part. How about disputing any of my actual points as I do/did?

My points were completely valid, so I’ll post as much as I like in that fashion whether or not someones feelings get hurt. I’m entitled to my say too, and am not obligated to be positive in any way, especially when I have actual points that I addressed specifically. I’m not about to mince my words for anybody nor will I accept being told to. If you don’t like it, do yourself a favour and don’t read my posts. Nobody is forcing you to read what I say so don’t dare try to tell not to say anything when nothing I said was unreasonable, hateful, harmful or attacked anyone personally in any way etc. You want to block speech, go to China or someplace similar.

Let’s not pretend that if this exact story turned up in the papers tomorrow under the headline “man/woman/child gets dry-eye from vaping” we all wouldn’t be making many, if not all, the same points I did. Why should the story turning up here be any different? Especially when that story, as has happened here a few times recently, has come from someone with no previous posts and only signed up around the time of all this US crap. Then there’s the fallacious arguments, inconsistencies and contradictions to boot. Coincidence? Maybe, but you’re going to have to excuse my cynicism/scepticism at this point. Those other people have been torn down too and I remained quiet until now. Well, now I’ve had my say in one of these cases and if you don’t like it, tough. Sorry, not sorry.

Mate, it’s your condescending, smart arsed attitude that gets people’s backs up. Its not coincidental that I’m the only person in this thread that agrees.

The guy wants help, you’ve offered nothing positive so do yourself a favour and let it go.

This is much more than a vaping forum. We all share the same goal, to rid ourselves of cigarettes. While some may find the answer in ecig’s it may not be for everyone. We owe people the platform/opportunity to ask for advice and assistance. You’re sarcastic, condescending responses does absolutely nothing to aid the OP or others.

 

[eyeball kid]

Nothing to see here.
This will become a balanced thread by Monday. It depends very much when you post as to the replay you receive. I'd say to anyone looking over the thread to read the whole thing and summarise.
Some folk are understandably touchy with threats of a vaping ban still alive and as far as I'm aware, none of us are doctors with a specific specialty in the effects of vaping.
I'd defend it as hard as I could with the results I've experienced so far but also I'm aware there's negatives. I suffer tinnitus and can tell you that vaping exacerbates it greatly but that's to be expected when inhaling nicotine.
So far, all serious and balanced testing looks incredibly positive against smoking and that I feel a huge amount healthier. Best I can do.

 

[Haze]

Mate, it’s your condescending, smart arsed attitude that gets people’s backs up. Its not coincidental that I’m the only person in this thread that agrees.

The guy wants help, you’ve offered nothing positive so do yourself a favour and let it go.

This is much more than a vaping forum. We all share the same goal, to rid ourselves of cigarettes. While some may find the answer in ecig’s it may not be for everyone. We owe people the platform/opportunity to ask for advice and assistance. You’re sarcastic, condescending responses does absolutely nothing to aid the OP or others.

I couldn’t care less about your perception of my attitude or if they like it or not. Like I said, tough. Talk some more about letting things go...

Don’t pretend either that everyone here agrees with you, or that I care that some do. I think I made it pretty clear about how much I care what others think.

Just because someone agrees with you doesn’t make you right. This is the same kind of fallacious argument the OP used. I guess it’s no coincidence you’d use such an argument... or is it.

And couldn’t actually address any of my points again I see? Funny that.

 

[TartanSpartan]

I couldn’t care less about your perception of my attitude or if they like it or not. Like I said, tough. Talk some more about letting things go...

Don’t pretend either that everyone here agrees with you, or that I care that some do. I think I made it pretty clear about how much I care what others think.

Just because someone agrees with you doesn’t make you right. This is the same kind of fallacious argument the OP used. I guess it’s no coincidence you’d use such an argument... or is it.

And couldn’t actually address any of my points again I see? Funny that.

My post above about stop being an arse stands

 

[al_g]

I couldn’t care less about your perception of my attitude or if they like it or not. Like I said, tough. Talk some more about letting things go...

Don’t pretend either that everyone here agrees with you, or that I care that some do. I think I made it pretty clear about how much I care what others think.

Just because someone agrees with you doesn’t make you right. This is the same kind of fallacious argument the OP used. I guess it’s no coincidence you’d use such an argument... or is it.

And couldn’t actually address any of my points again I see? Funny that.

Stop mate, you’re just making yourself out to look like a proper prick.

I could answer your points but you come across as the kind of person that has an answer for everything so I’m probably wasting my time.

I’ll leave it up to others to decide who they agree with but I’d be willing to bet my house that it won’t be you.