Should restrictions be lifted on the 19th?

[mick brown]

thank you, bad start and bad day all day and night yesterday, I apologise for being so tetchy.




She needs to join a union, but cant afford the subs. Moral is low at the school, everyone is worn out - except for the teachers off supposedly self isolating and or being ill on full pay.

That's ok Andy. I could have worded my response a bit better. I think everyone has been a bit tetchy the last year or so and my sarcastic micky taking responses don't always come over to well in text.
As for union fee's, yeah, they've become a bit steep nowadays. Probably because they have less members than say 30 year's ago. Either that or they're just greedy.

 

[mick brown]

I've followed this thread and seen the above poll change slowly from no masks to wear masks

when Boris announced the freedom day thing there was a sigh of relief now though people are hesitant I can understand why it's like no one cares "people will die" that's great let's hope its none of us that have followed the rules to the letter

but I feel for @Simon G his points are valid so are @zouzounaki @Mitz @Crewella and everyone else they may conflict but the arguments the view people bring here are all sensible but the sad thing is the people in power have just lost the plot who can you go to, to get the right advice there isn't anyone

I shall still be wearing a face covering in shop's for the benefit of shop workers. As for social distancing, I've been doing that for year's anyway [emoji16]

 

[mick brown]

@andy52 . How about ringing ACAS for some free advice. They may or may not be able to help.

 

[vapesmarter]

that’s the problem, i think it’s a safe bet to trust various experts in the field like the hundred odd scientists and medics that signed the lancet letter, or the guy in the videos you and @Simon G have been posting for the last while. even then you get a range of opinions. but the problem is many people, probably the majority, won’t be looking at or hearing this stuff, and just hear the government message broadcast on the telly, radio news etc or in the tabloids. or potentially even worse, youtube facebook and whatsapp groups. and look forward to freedom day when they can go out for a pint and breath all over each other. a lot of contradictory stuff out there too.

in the early days last year the guidelines, the policies we had changed by the day a new policy would hit in handover and within 12 hours it would change "following the science" we all understood this was a new thing uncharted waters but now 17 months later I look at the guidelines and question them say "that makes no fucking sense"
"you can't do this but you can do this using this, (type of situation) but we say we tried that it didn't work" but you get "that's the policy straight from the top straight from PHE"

so I do the tests every day you go in and do the PCR as well it goes off to be tested you know that the tests are fairly accurate or not accurate but all are not 100% but your working life has to be 100% because that's the thing a wrong diagnosis, treatment means you can make the person in front sick watch as they get worse so you switch off become a robot while inside your screaming, 8 staff have left in 3 weeks so staff levels are chronically low agency come in who haven't a clue you leave work switch the phone to do not disturb so you don't get messages saying "can you come in" the whole system is crumbling from social care to frontline then you see Boris doing the NHS can cope social care are ready for 100k infections per day WTF, not a chance staff are leaving rather than work in the health environment they feel safer working in a pub or in Tescos they will take the drop in money

 

[andipandi]

@andy52 . How about ringing ACAS for some free advice. They may or may not be able to help.

My daughter is dedicated to the children, she won't leave, or cause trouble. She wasn't given the nick " Duracell Bunny" for no reason, when she worked in the care industry

Part of the problem is personal logistics, a lone parent, a nearly six year old son, out for breakfast club at 7.15am, long ish drive to work, work, then back to get her son from afterschool club at 5pm ish (and pay for all those things, it's not cheap, a minute late and they charge you another full hour), home to feed her son, spend time and educate him, reading and talking - my grandson has a high level speech impediment and the speech therapy was suspended during the pandemic and is still only on zoom, which is useless, it needs to be face to face. My daughter gets an hour or two to herself later, then does it all again, the next day. There was a inset day at her sons school the other Friday, she cant just take the day off, luckily on that day the father was able to have his son, that's not always possible, if he's expected in office, in london. I understand she's eventually going to look for a school (to work at) that is closer, I think her current timetable and regime is unsustainable, in the long term.

 

[andipandi]

Where are the antibody tests, at least that might prevent some of the arguments over who's had the vaccine, who's had covid, who's got antibodies?

I only know two people who haven't had the vaccine (when offered), one is pretty much a anti vaxxer, the other is Asian, both have discussed with me their individual reasons for not having the jab. It's not my place to bollock them, harass them, call them names, look down them or anything. I didn't want the jabs and probably wouldn't have had them, if I lived on my own, it's nobody's business, in my case,or anyone elses.

 

[Mitz]

I've followed this thread and seen the above poll change slowly from no masks to wear masks

when Boris announced the freedom day thing there was a sigh of relief now though people are hesitant I can understand why it's like no one cares "people will die" that's great let's hope its none of us that have followed the rules to the letter

but I feel for @Simon G his points are valid so are @zouzounaki @Mitz @Crewella and everyone else they may conflict but the arguments the view people bring here are all sensible but the sad thing is the people in power have just lost the plot who can you go to, to get the right advice there isn't anyone

I feel for everyone that has/is struggled/struggling. The whole episode is shite from start to finish and I totally get that people are fed up and want to get back to normal life but, unfortunately, that is not achieved by throwing caution to the wind 15 months in to a pandemic when we're literally only weeks away from hitting the 70 to 75% vaccine target that those qualified to know were banding around right back at the start of the pandemic as the necessary figure required for vaccine achieved heard immunity. We're over 60% now with both doses. The idea that we've come this far and gone through so much just to throw our hands up at this late stage truly astounds me. We're literally talking about a few measly weeks.

This has nothing to do with people taking personal responsibility and it has everything to do with the government shirking theirs.

We're supposed to follow the science. This is not following the science, this is a purely political decision and the science be damned.

People can disagree but, imho, Hancock may have had his flaws and made mistakes and he absolutely had to go, but I genuinely believe that changing health secretary at this point in time is unfortunate.

 

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[Simon G]

I've followed this thread and seen the above poll change slowly from no masks to wear masks

when Boris announced the freedom day thing there was a sigh of relief now though people are hesitant I can understand why it's like no one cares "people will die" that's great let's hope its none of us that have followed the rules to the letter

but I feel for @Simon G his points are valid so are @zouzounaki @Mitz @Crewella and everyone else they may conflict but the arguments the view people bring here are all sensible but the sad thing is the people in power have just lost the plot who can you go to, to get the right advice there isn't anyone

I think what we need to remember (including me) is that everyone has had a different experience over the last 18 months. The consequences of these continuous lock downs and restrictions have been disastrous and an ongoing nightmare to my friends and family.

Right now I have an Uncle in hospital that I can't go and see, he had a stroke during an Op and it looks like he'll be spending the rest of his life in bed or in a wheel chair. If I even get to see him before he dies. ... I have a cousin who's had to move back to his parents are the age of 35, he's a taxi driver, he had to give up his car (taxi) as he couldn't afford the repayments because nobody is going out and using taxis. I have a widow'd mother who's desperately lonely because all her social things she used to do have been cancelled for over a year. A couple who are friends of mine that lost their business and a couple of others that are hanging on, but as each month passes they get further and further into debt.

I'm sat here wondering which of my friends are going to kill themselves next.

Meanwhile Tesco and Amazon get richer and rich cunts are sat in their gardens quaffing wine and saying they've quite enjoyed lockdown and can happily work from home. .... it just fucks me off, I know we have to be careful, I know many people have lost loved ones to covid and for them that's most important thing. But this needs to end, many people can't go on like this. It just seems like every time there is light at the end of the very dark tunnel another reason not to go back to normal comes along.

There are NO covid patients in our local hospital. ... ZERO. Right now I feel like I have more chance of falling down the stairs and killing myself than getting sick from the virus.

 

[zouzounaki]

I think what we need to remember (including me) is that everyone has had a different experience over the last 18 months. The consequences of these continuous lock downs and restrictions have been disastrous and an ongoing nightmare to my friends and family.

Right now I have an Uncle in hospital that I can't go and see, he had a stroke during an Op and it looks like he'll be spending the rest of his life in bed or in a wheel chair. If I even get to see him before he dies. ... I have a cousin who's had to move back to his parents are the age of 35, he's a taxi driver, he had to give up his car (taxi) as he couldn't afford the repayments because nobody is going out and using taxis. I have a widow'd mother who's desperately lonely because all her social things she used to do have been cancelled for over a year. A couple who are friends of mine that lost their business and a couple of others that are hanging on, but as each month passes they get further and further into debt.

I'm sat here wondering which of my friends are going to kill themselves next.

Meanwhile Tesco and Amazon get richer and rich cunts are sat in their gardens quaffing wine and saying they've quite enjoyed lockdown and can happily work from home. .... it just fucks me off, I know we have to be careful, I know many people have lost loved ones to covid and for them that's most important thing. But this needs to end, many people can't go on like this. It just seems like every time there is light at the end of the very dark tunnel another reason not to go back to normal comes along.

There are NO covid patients in our local hospital. ... ZERO. Right now I feel like I have more chance of falling down the stairs and killing myself than getting sick from the virus.

sorry to read about all this shit that’s happening around you. the whole situation is a mess.