Should restrictions be lifted on the 19th?

[Fazz711]

See i would argue that the flu being non existent' last year is part of a different discussion that saw many different types of diseases / illnesses and conditions dissapear or greatly reduce within the data that was never really explained other than 'restrictions'. It is all in the data, this time last year other respiratory conditons dropped by hundreds each week. Fast forward 12 months and they are on the rise, but truthfully, they aren't, they are returning to normal because covid is not being attached to the same patients in anywhere near the same level. To some extent, i would argue that Covid has overridden many other things, to the extent of the 'tested postive within 28 days' being the measure over direct result in the data. It kinda ties into what i was saying, focusing on what we are told so to some extent, other things stop being as important. Especially over the last 15 months, a cough is never just a cough anymore, even when it is.

So if the flu will kill more than covid, then that should in theory provoke a reaction similar to covid in the country. You cannot lock a country down for one virus and then not do so for potentially now a more dangerous one, would be literally hypocritical to do so with the aim being to protect lives. In that scenario, would they restrict the country in the name of the flu or would they still peddle the covid story as a means to doing that?

But the bottom line is that before march last year, we never locked down for the flu, didn't wear masks for the flu, didn't even have headline news every single day for it. It was just a part of life, the same way covid will be, or the common cold, or a whole host of viruses. We vaccinate, we medicate and we use common sense to avoid people who are sick. Why does all of this have to change? The common sense was always there before, why has it suddenly been announced to be gone?

I see things differently and re-enforcing the fear of covid even now is potentially dangerous. The vaccine protects against covid and we have put it into 30 million arms fully, starting with the ones who need it most downwards. We have protected the ones who need protecting, and now focusing on the ones who don't need anywhere near as much protection, in the same way as the flu. We are in the end game and yet it still gets presented as the half time show.

This is where masks come in, because if they don't go on monday, they can never go. Because the minute you finish vaccinations, its then the flu, then the winter, then a new strain of covid that means all the vunerable need protecting first with booster jabs and the cycle continues. You cannot honestly pick a point now and say masks are no longer needed because that point will never come. the test numbers will never change, even if vaccinations are done, people will still test positive.

You articulate my feelings on this better than I can lol

 

[crustyfolker]

The General idea of the Gov, which they would not admit.

Now most vunerable adults and those from middle age to pensioners should be safe. Those from the millenial and gen Z generations have been offered vaccines too. So we are hopefull most wont get the virus. Those who refused the vaccines and to take part in keeping both themselves and others safe should now be the ones who catch covid and if most of those where to not make it we have removed people who won't follow rules and laws, which will make our jobs easier as MP's. Money wise we can't afford to keep borrowing to keep things running.

Tuesday i had to use public transport. The amount of under 40's more so under 30's that where not wearing a mask was astounding. Bus drivers have been told not to enforce the wearing masks on public transport.
The reason because of threats. So the bus company which is ran by National express are breaking the law. Putting lives at risk including their drivers because the Drivers, who sit behind protective screens are scared someone will pull them throudh a letter box type hole and beat them up.

So The Honus is now on your self, the problem is infection rates are on the rise, the jabs may not work as well against variants so i think it's time for The Gov to tell another lie to get the younger gens to worry, invent the idea there is a new variant thats deadly to young people who are not immunised.

I am just going to continue with things that keep myself safe, mask inside enclosed areas, hands sanatized. Shield by only going out to do what i have to. Mix with few folks who i know are double jabbed.

 

[Crispycritters]

See i would argue that the flu being non existent' last year is part of a different discussion that saw many different types of diseases / illnesses and conditions dissapear or greatly reduce within the data that was never really explained other than 'restrictions'.


You seriously don't understand that 'restrictions' involved the people who were the most vulnerable isolating from people. Generally if people isolate they are far less likely to come into contact with infection. This applies to all infections diseases - if you don't come into contact with a carrier or infected area/surface you can't get infected. This should not need explaining to any adult - I cannot grasp why you need any further explanation than 'restrictions' was the reason flu statistics were so low.

Several people tend to imply that Flu statistics were low because their figures are being passed off as Covid infections. Luckily the medical services can identify the difference between Covid and Flu because they are not the same disease. I have observed that everyone who describes Covid as 'flu' tends to be anti restriction. Is this because they genuinely don't understand it is not the same disease, or is it because Flu is an infection we are all familiar - if we may mentally associate the two different diseases as one and question why we have restrictions for one disease but not the other?

""This is where masks come in, because if they don't go on monday, they can never go"

Nah mate. At some point we will be forced to, like it or not, but if we do a Netherlands who lifted all restrictions in mid June based on their statistics implying they had Covid on the retreat who says we won't be in the exact shit state they are in and have to go back into lockdown in a few weeks.

 

[zouzounaki]

a few folk suffering from conspiratorial thinking. government passing off flu cases as covid, government want to kill al the poor people or disobedient antivaxxers etc.

 

["Misfit"]

a few folk suffering from conspiratorial thinking. government passing off flu cases as covid, government want to kill al the poor people or disobedient antivaxxers etc.

 

[zouzounaki]

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be careful, they are watching.

 

[Simon G]

a few folk suffering from conspiratorial thinking. government passing off flu cases as covid, government want to kill al the poor people or disobedient antivaxxers etc.

Not at all, the blame seems squarely at the medias feet if anything, they just can't seem to help themselves with selective and biased reporting. Creating terrifying clicky headlines and reporting numbers without any context.


.... which is really unusual for them.

 

[zouzounaki]

Not at all, the blame seems squarely at the medias feet if anything, they just can't seem to help themselves with selective and biased reporting. Creating terrifying clicky headlines and reporting numbers without any context.


.... which is really unusual for them.

@crustyfolker above explicitly says part of the government’s plan is for anti-vaxxers and deniers to get covid and die because they are disobedient. and @Sacred Vape is all over the place.

i don’t think the media are as guilty of this kind of stuff they are accused of as people make out. this pathological distrust of the media is all part of the conspiracy theorist narrative. fake news etc.

 

[Simon G]

i don’t think the media are as guilty of this kind of stuff they are accused of as people make out. this pathological distrust of the media is all part of the conspiracy theorist narrative. fake news etc.

no, they've been terrible.

shockingly awful imo.

 

[zouzounaki]

fake news, the media is lying to us all because they are in league with the global conspiracy, the real truth is in youtube videos, do your own research, don’t trust experts etc.