Should restrictions be lifted on the 19th?

[Enoch]

To answer your points

1. That first point still makes very little sense. Flu is transmitted the exact same way as covid is, according the science flu transmits up to 6 feet away.

So running this idea that flu disappeared because restrictions were in place makes no sense because you have another respiratory droplet transmitted virus actually increasing in transmission. Even when we hit both lockdowns in flu season, nobody was catching the flu?

This defies logic , whether people want to admit it or not. You can't have 2 viruses that transmit the same way and have one increase in transmission and the other cease to transmit.

2. You say medical experts can tell the difference. They can, never going to dispute that. But who is being tested for influenza? When have we ever tested for the flu? Can someone have both the flu and covid in their system? To test positive for covid but be sick with the other? Just a question , without an answer.

I know you could say symptoms , but then covid in vaccinated people currently are showing cold like symptoms rather than the more traditional ones. Will this mean people will stop getting colds now, that will stop transmitting but only covid will? We don't test for colds either so once people have to pay for tests (and don't) how can you tell the difference between a cold and covid?

3. Who is going to force us to stop wearing masks? What will force us not to? Clearly not the government as the country is overriding them on that instruction. So there isn't anything or anyone to force us to stop wearing them.

But then why should anyone force it? Why should it be either or? Why can't people wear masks if they want to and others who are vaccinated and don't , don't have to? I know we have been living under a dictatorship quite rightly over covid but makes can well be personal choice , after all if we have our jabs , we have done our job.

 

[Enoch]

@crustyfolker above explicitly says part of the government’s plan is for anti-vaxxers and deniers to get covid and die because they are disobedient. and @Sacred Vape is all over the place.

i don’t think the media are as guilty of this kind of stuff they are accused of as people make out. this pathological distrust of the media is all part of the conspiracy theorist narrative. fake news etc.

How am I all over the place? My points are very clear.

 

[Simon G]

fake news, the media is lying to us all because they are in league with the global conspiracy, the real truth is in youtube videos, do your own research, don’t trust experts etc.

um... no.

They are just bad at their job and guilty of being sensational to try at get the attention of their dwindling audience.

 

[Simon G]

How am I all over the place? My points are very clear.

Ignore him, he thinks the government should be in control of every aspect of your life.

 

[Enoch]

@crustyfolker above explicitly says part of the government’s plan is for anti-vaxxers and deniers to get covid and die because they are disobedient. and @Sacred Vape is all over the place.

i don’t think the media are as guilty of this kind of stuff they are accused of as people make out. this pathological distrust of the media is all part of the conspiracy theorist narrative. fake news etc.

The thing is , since the beginning it's been the official line or conspiracy / fake news.

Even as far as the lab theory of covid is just talking out of your arse , it's a conspiracy , complete shutdown of the notion. Anything covid related that isn't repeating the official lines is just shut down by others like there is no possible notion it can be anything else.

Except

The lab theory is being investigated by WHO now. More and more people are coming out and supporting that theory. In fact there are scientists who claim to have proof of a DNA footprint within covid that proves it is man made.

Yet if anyone had posted that , what? 6 months ago? 3 months ago? It would be met with that same attitude you have of conspiracy / fake news , talking out your arse.

The biggest problem with discussion on the internet these days is exactly this , nobody is willing to discuss, just shut down the other side. You are all over the place , you are a conspiracy theorist , you are wrong etc.

 

[Crewella]

@Sacred Vape

1. That first point still makes very little sense. Flu is transmitted the exact same way as covid is, according the science flu transmits up to 6 feet away.

So running this idea that flu disappeared because restrictions were in place makes no sense because you have another respiratory droplet transmitted virus actually increasing in transmission. Even when we hit both lockdowns in flu season, nobody was catching the flu?

This defies logic , whether people want to admit it or not. You can't have 2 viruses that transmit the same way and have one increase in transmission and the other cease to transmit.​

This doesn't defy logic, it just ignores the fact that some viruses transmit more easily than others? We've already had increasingly infectious versions of Covid-19?

 

[Crispycritters]

To answer your points

1. That first point still makes very little sense. Flu is transmitted the exact same way as covid is, according the science flu transmits up to 6 feet away.

So running this idea that flu disappeared because restrictions were in place makes no sense because you have another respiratory droplet transmitted virus actually increasing in transmission. Even when we hit both lockdowns in flu season, nobody was catching the flu?

This defies logic , whether people want to admit it or not. You can't have 2 viruses that transmit the same way and have one increase in transmission and the other cease to transmit.

2. You say medical experts can tell the difference. They can, never going to dispute that. But who is being tested for influenza? When have we ever tested for the flu? Can someone have both the flu and covid in their system? To test positive for covid but be sick with the other? Just a question , without an answer.

I know you could say symptoms , but then covid in vaccinated people currently are showing cold like symptoms rather than the more traditional ones. Will this mean people will stop getting colds now, that will stop transmitting but only covid will? We don't test for colds either so once people have to pay for tests (and don't) how can you tell the difference between a cold and covid?

3. Who is going to force us to stop wearing masks? What will force us not to? Clearly not the government as the country is overriding them on that instruction. So there isn't anything or anyone to force us to stop wearing them.

But then why should anyone force it? Why should it be either or? Why can't people wear masks if they want to and others who are vaccinated and don't , don't have to? I know we have been living under a dictatorship quite rightly over covid but makes can well be personal choice , after all if we have our jabs , we have done our job.

If Covid is a new disease (i.e. not the flu) we will have no natural immunity to it - the fact that flu figures are low clearly shows that the restrictions greatly reduced the Covid infections and subsequent death rate.

It is possible to have Covid and Flu simultaneously - I dont know why you feel this is relevant.

Nobody is going fo FORCE us to wear masks - again I don't know why you ask. If you feel that strongly about the subject you probably aren't complying now, but I don't understand why you feel it would do you any harm if people continued to use masks after the 19th. We don't live in a Dictatorship, although it is fun to describe it as one, personally I believe it should be at the discretion of individual businesses if they require masks etc. on their premises, the only stumbling block there would be those that believe this would restrict their personal freedom (because their freedom should involve them being free to do whatever they want on someone elses property - and not allowing them to dictate terms would invoke the Karen clause of 'discrimination')

Nobody has yet attempted to explain to me why those who are against covid constantly refer to the flu, a different, less infectious disease with a much lower mortality rate. that normally results in far fewer hospitalisations.

I'm just glad the medical services can differentiate between the two diseases or we would all be truly fucked.

 

[crustyfolker]

@crustyfolker above explicitly says part of the government’s plan is for anti-vaxxers and deniers to get covid and die because they are disobedient. and @Sacred Vape is all over the place.

i don’t think the media are as guilty of this kind of stuff they are accused of as people make out. this pathological distrust of the media is all part of the conspiracy theorist narrative. fake news etc.

I know the Gov lie about everything, they don't always do the right thing, corruption is rife yet folks still vote?. Boris has said he would rather folks die than spend more money keeping everyone going. Yes my post was my own theory if you wish but it is probably more true than false. Obviously i don't ask you to agree with me, it's just my view. Like i always say. Money is the devils tool it creates greed for wealth it creates hunger for power. The problem is we don't need such thing as it creates corruption then leads to fake news and the likes which then leads to loss of trust.
The Gov always find a way to eliminate what they see as problem people, hence the police brutality towards Ethnic minorities, The 1985 battle of the Beanfield. Nowadays there is more concern on what the public would think to more police brutaility and with the younger generations having been raised without the fear of the Cane at school or a clipped ear from the local copper, a smacked arse at home the leave them be and let them catch it approach is the way to punish. That way the Gov don't get the blame, they don't involve the police so no clipped ears etc. So nothing to worry about and as said it removes those who won't listen, to the rules, saves locking them up and costing the tax payer. I know it may sound unbelievable or far fetched but you have to admit there has been times when the Gov has used something or other to get what they want.

 

[Enoch]

@Sacred Vape

1. That first point still makes very little sense. Flu is transmitted the exact same way as covid is, according the science flu transmits up to 6 feet away.

So running this idea that flu disappeared because restrictions were in place makes no sense because you have another respiratory droplet transmitted virus actually increasing in transmission. Even when we hit both lockdowns in flu season, nobody was catching the flu?

This defies logic , whether people want to admit it or not. You can't have 2 viruses that transmit the same way and have one increase in transmission and the other cease to transmit.​

This doesn't defy logic, it just ignores the fact that some viruses transmit more easily than others? We've already had increasingly infectious versions of Covid-19?

Ahh but there is a difference between reduced transmission and zero transmission. There was story that said , right bang in the middle of winter , there was only 36 cases of the flu out of 3.6 million people. That is why it defies logic, a 95% decrease for the first time in 130 years no less. Officially it was because of restrictions but that level of drop?

It ties into other areas. Respiratory illness dropped by hundreds last year each week. I can guarantee you when they release other areas of health and sickness for 2020, other columns will have dropped far more than usual.

The point I'm trying to make here is that covid didn't irradicate the flu, especially given one was spreading whilst the other was almost none existent. Because even if you had the flu , doctors were heavily restricted over the winter , so even getting an appointment would have been difficult so it would have been much harder to know the full extent of it , given the vulnerable got jabs anyway.

Like I said to your man above, covid symptoms in vaccinated are resembling cold symptoms now. So unless you test everyone with these symptoms , even if they are mild , will colds suddenly disappear?

 

[zouzounaki]

Ignore him, he thinks the government should be in control of every aspect of your life.

do you think i am in on it?